| Windows 7: Imaging strategies |
17 Jun 2012
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#91 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by wanchoo Neither do I. I have kept System Restore switched off almost ever since it appeared. However many are of the opinion that Imaging and System Restore are mutually exclusive functions and therefore System Restore should not be switched off. 
Quote: Originally Posted by mjf I don't bother with system restores. Probably dependent on "philosophy" and habit.
I guess those who use system protection either don't keep recent images, or combine data with system images, or are leery of doing image restores because they don't trust images. Might have mostly to do with comfort level and "convenience."
Since I'll restore an image at the drop of a hat if I see any problem at all, I've never used system protection. But it's pretty slick, and I've seen where it's saved a lot of peoples' bacon.
The way I see it, imaging can replace system protection, but system protection can't replace imaging. After that it's a question of what overhead you prefer. | My System Specs |
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17 Jun 2012
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#92 | | Windows 7 Pro with SP1 32bit Gurgaon, India |
Rabbiting on, because I agree with you, maybe I too am not getting the idea. 
Quote: Originally Posted by mjf I don't want to rabbit on but I have considered a reimage to be superset of System Restore and not mutually exclusive. Maybe I miss something. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Built OS Windows 7 Pro with SP1 32bit Motherboard Intel D845GVS1 X86-based PC Memory 2 gigs of RAM Graphics Card Intel(R) 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV Graphics Controller Sound Card Realtek AC'97 Audio Monitor(s) Displays Samsung SyncMaster 931BF Black 19" LCD Monitor Screen Resolution 1280X960 Keyboard COMPAQ Standard PS/2 Keyboard Mouse iBall Laser Precise Speedster Hard Drives 1. SAMSUNG SP0822N ATA Device ~ 80 GigaBytes
2. Seagate FreeAgent Go USB Device ~ 500 GigaBytes Internet Speed 4 mb/sec |
17 Jun 2012
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#93 | | Windows 7 Professional x64 Nottingham, England |
I do like the fact that Windows Imaging and System Restore work together. One thing I do like is the fact I can look in the System Restore panel and see which software has changed since my last image. You can't do that with some other imaging programs.
I also use the System Protection feature for my data drive as a few times I've had to Restore a Previous Version of a file that's changed or been deleted. Handy feature, although I don't actually use SR to Restore my pc hardly ever. If something isn't working right I'll just restore my image instead. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dell Dimension 9200 (XPS 410) OS Windows 7 Professional x64 CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4Ghz Motherboard Intel P965 Express Chipset - Dell Inc. 0CT017 Memory 4GB - HYMP512U64CP8-Y5 Graphics Card nVidia GeForce 8600GTS Monitor(s) Displays DELL 22" E228WFP Screen Resolution 1680x1050 Keyboard Logitech Cordless Desktop MX3000 Mouse Logitech Laser Mouse MX3000 Hard Drives 2x Western Digital WD3200AAKS
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HP Photosmart 8450 Printer |
18 Jun 2012
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#94 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1 |
I keep System Restore switched off but still use the Windows 7 disk imaging function. A disk image is like the ultimate system restore anyway. There doesn't seem a need to use the System Restore function as well. I'll usually update (overwrite) the most current disk image just before installing a program or making other changes, then there is always a way back if necessary. I don't back up files when prompted to do so during a re-imaging procedure because all created files are stored on a second internal drive.
I keep a few images, one without any security programs on it. I can load this if I want to try out various security programs. This seems easier than removing programs in order to try others. It's not always easy to clean a system entirely of security programs, so a disk image that doesn't have any on it comes in handy sometimes.
I've tried third-party imaging programs. They have worked OK but find none do the imaging any better than Windows 7's own included way. It has always worked very reliably for me.
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27 Jun 2012
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#95 | | Windows 7 Professional -64 bit |
Many of the imagining products have issues with the strange partition systems that Windows 7 64-bit makes. I usually make a single partition with gparted before letting windows 7 do its install to eliminate problems.
Acronis and different versions of Ghosty I have tried are not reliable otherwise.
One thing that I worked out when trying to use the inbuilt windows 7 imaging tool is that it is NOT a cloning tool. It will not restore your image to another machine even if identical in specs.
I recently upgraded a pile of computers at my work from windows XP to Win 7, so I set up the first computer with a base operating system updates and standard applications. I din't activate windows at that time.
I then ran the Windows 7 backup, and then tried to restore to another identical computer....and it wouldn't.
The implication for this is that if your computer has a hardware failure (probably other than hard drive) ie motherboard, network card Windows 7 backup will detect your rebuilt computer as not being the same as the one that was backed up. It won't restore and you will have a major problem getting your computer working again.
Why Microsoft did this i have no idea. Maybe they didn't want to compete with other companies in the cloning market. Your guess is as good as mine. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number "Red Cube" OS Windows 7 Professional -64 bit CPU i5-2500k Motherboard Zotak ITX Memory 8 Gig corsair 1866 Graphics Card GTX570 Monitor(s) Displays 2x samsung 24" PSU Corsair HX-650 Case Lian Li PC-Q08 (Red) Cooling Corsair H60 Hard Drives Corsair 120 gig ssd, 2 gig seagate Internet Speed ADSL-2 |
27 Jun 2012
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#96 | | Windows 7 Pro with SP1 32bit Gurgaon, India |
Please clarify what you mean by "strange partition systems that Windows 7 64-bit makes". Are you meaning the System Reserved Partition?
I have used Acronis for imaging for the last seven years or thereabout. I must have made over 100 images during this period and restored as many. There has only been one occasion when the image made with Acronis did not qualify in the validation process. There has never been a failure in restoring the image. I therefore find Acronis very reliable. How many failures have you had?
I think Windows Imaging Tool came on the scene with W 7. By then I was so steeped in Acronis that I never felt the need to cross-over. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Built OS Windows 7 Pro with SP1 32bit Motherboard Intel D845GVS1 X86-based PC Memory 2 gigs of RAM Graphics Card Intel(R) 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV Graphics Controller Sound Card Realtek AC'97 Audio Monitor(s) Displays Samsung SyncMaster 931BF Black 19" LCD Monitor Screen Resolution 1280X960 Keyboard COMPAQ Standard PS/2 Keyboard Mouse iBall Laser Precise Speedster Hard Drives 1. SAMSUNG SP0822N ATA Device ~ 80 GigaBytes
2. Seagate FreeAgent Go USB Device ~ 500 GigaBytes Internet Speed 4 mb/sec |
27 Jun 2012
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#97 | | Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 Australia |

Quote: Originally Posted by jbheller
The implication for this is that if your computer has a hardware failure (probably other than hard drive) ie motherboard, network card Windows 7 backup will detect your rebuilt computer as not being the same as the one that was backed up. It won't restore and you will have a major problem getting your computer working again. I certainly haven't needed to do a mass Windows 7 install. There are people on this forum who do it as part of their job, so they may give you advice on this matter.
Concerning the specific comment above, you certainly can reimage to a new HDD. However, Windows imaging wants to restore the full MBR from the original PC the image was made. This includes the partition table. So you will get a failure if the new HDD is smaller.
I think reimaging to an altered PC should work since it is a process driven by the reimaging process provided on the system repair boot CD. But you may then get problems with activation and drivers. On the same PC windows allows a number of hardware changes before it decides "This is a new PC" and needs reactivation.
If you have a retail OS license then you can change the whole PC or its components. This link may help Some questions about re-activation when hardware changes - Microsoft Answers
This tutorial may also help Windows 7 Installation - Transfer to a New Computer | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Own build (+ Recased Acer Aspire x1800) OS Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 CPU Intel i7 2600k Motherboard ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe Memory G.Skill Ripjaws (DDR3-1600) 2x4GB Graphics Card Nvidia GeForce GTS 450; Intel HD Graphics 3000(GT2+) Monitor(s) Displays Dell Ultrasharp IPS panel U2311H, Samsung SyncMaster P2350 Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech MK520 (wireless) Mouse Logitech MK520 PSU Seasonic M12II 520W Case Lian Li Lancool PC-K60 Cooling Case: 1x120mm, 3x140mm CPU: Hyper 212+ Hard Drives Crucial M4 128GB (000F), Seagates 1TB Barracuda ST31000528AS + Internet Speed 6-7 Mbps Antivirus Norton NIS, Malwarebytes on 2 (MSE on 3rd PC) Browser FireFox Other Info Audio: Logitech Z523 2.1 |
28 Jun 2012
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#98 | | Microsoft Windows 8 Professional |
I have 1 fresh install image created with Clonezilla and take weekly images with Drive Snapshot, not a single issue this way. | My System Specs | | OS Microsoft Windows 8 Professional CPU AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 965 Processor Motherboard ECS A790GXM-AD3 Memory 16.00 GB Graphics Card AMD Radeon HD 7850 2GB Sound Card (1) C-Media PCI Audio Device (2) AMD HD Audio Monitor(s) Displays LG LS192WS Screen Resolution 1440 x 900 @ 32bit color Keyboard Dell SK-8115 Mouse Razer Copperhead PSU Corsair HX620 Case Thermaltake V4 Black Edition Cooling Cooler Master Hyper 212 + Artic Silver 3 on CPU/GPU Hard Drives (1) ST31000524AS SATA Disk Device (2) ST3500413AS SATA Disk Device AHCI mode enabled. |
07 Aug 2012
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#99 | | MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1 |
From what I remember, Win 7 is locked in to the PC where it is installed. In which case, it is probably not helpful to look for a program that will clone the system and allow one to install it in a new PC.
With that, what one will probably do given a new PC is to install a new copy of the OS (if it doesn't have one), then load the system image as a virtual, copy various files to a temporary directory in the hard disk of the new PC, then copy any data files and configurations that one wants or can use. | My System Specs | | OS MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1 CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.40GHz Motherboard ASUSTeK Computer INC. P5B-VM SE (LGA775) Memory Corsair PC2-6400 (400 MHz) 4.00 GB DDR2 Graphics Card GeForce 9600 GT 1024 MB Sound Card SB Audigy Monitor(s) Displays LG W2252 Screen Resolution 1680x1050 @ 60Hz Keyboard Microsoft Sidewinder X6 Mouse Microsoft Sidewinder Mouse PSU Corsair HX750W Case Antec 900 Cooling Thermaltake fans Hard Drives 977GB Seagate ST31000528AS ATA Device (SATA)
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WD My Book 1.0 TB
Buffalo NAS LS-CHL v2 2 TB |
14 Oct 2012
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#100 | | |
hey, nice article. with computers, nothing is written in stone and each of us has their own way of getting things done. but this article gives the basics of save, save, save which we all need to do. i have been using macrium free with a win pe rescue disc and they work great together. and i have almost exactly the set-up you portray. ssd main drive with two partitions, operating system and stuff. 2nd internal hdd, two partitions, operating system and stuff. and an external ter hdd set the same way. everything is simple and easy to image and restore. thanks again for the nice article. | My System Specs | | OS win 7 64 home premium CPU 3.6 amd Memory 8g Hard Drives ssd, 500hdd Imaging strategies problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:39 PM. | |