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Windows 7: Issue with Windows Backup creating System Image

07 Jan 2011   #11
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Cato View Post
I had the same problem when I first got Windows 7 over a year ago. Instead of trying to find out "why" I just went to a third party backup. I had forgot about this problem until I saw your post and now I'm wondering if the following is something that will help:

http://www.windows7news.com/2010/09/...ckup-problems/

In my case it was trying to backup a partition on my second hard drive, the same as yours is doing. I wish I had checked further into then, but I was more interested in getting a backup and learning W7. Would be good to know if this works.
It's a good idea except he doesn't have a separate 100MB system reserved which can run out of shadow copy space (50MB). Also, the imaging works on C: alone when the 2nd drive is disconnected.


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07 Jan 2011   #12
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

sygnus, I was not aware of the ATI2010 problem. Did that actually happen to you? Have you tried with a 1024 alignment? I never had this happen on any of my 4 SSDs and I have done quite a few restores. But I do not have your hardware setup and I use free Macrium for my imaging.

There is a Paragon Alignment tool which supposedly does not alter the data on the disk with which you can realign the SSD any time. But as usual for all good things, they want some money ($30).

As to imaging alternatives, I obviously like Macrium, but I think Paragon is pretty good too. I only experimented with it (they once gave me a trial license to test), but it looked and felt quite nice.
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07 Jan 2011   #13
Cato

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mjf View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Cato View Post
I had the same problem when I first got Windows 7 over a year ago. Instead of trying to find out "why" I just went to a third party backup. I had forgot about this problem until I saw your post and now I'm wondering if the following is something that will help:

Solving Windows Image Backup problems | Windows 7 News

In my case it was trying to backup a partition on my second hard drive, the same as yours is doing. I wish I had checked further into then, but I was more interested in getting a backup and learning W7. Would be good to know if this works.
It's a good idea except he doesn't have a separate 100MB system reserved which can run out of shadow copy space (50MB). Also, the imaging works on C: alone when the 2nd drive is disconnected.
The fact that he could disconnect the second drive and still boot caused me to be skeptical. As far as the SSD, I know nothing about them, and it's the next thing I'm going to take an interest in.
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07 Jan 2011   #14
sygnus21

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mjf View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Cato View Post
I had the same problem when I first got Windows 7 over a year ago. Instead of trying to find out "why" I just went to a third party backup. I had forgot about this problem until I saw your post and now I'm wondering if the following is something that will help:

Solving Windows Image Backup problems | Windows 7 News

In my case it was trying to backup a partition on my second hard drive, the same as yours is doing. I wish I had checked further into then, but I was more interested in getting a backup and learning W7. Would be good to know if this works.
It's a good idea except he doesn't have a separate 100MB system reserved which can run out of shadow copy space (50MB). Also, the imaging works on C: alone when the 2nd drive is disconnected.
Exactly.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Cato View Post
The fact that he could disconnect the second drive and still boot caused me to be skeptical. As far as the SSD, I know nothing about them, and it's the next thing I'm going to take an interest in.
Why is that? This just says all the files needed to boot the system is on C drive.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
sygnus, I was not aware of the ATI2010 problem. Did that actually happen to you? Have you tried with a 1024 alignment? I never had this happen on any of my 4 SSDs and I have done quite a few restores.
No I haven't, but if Acronis themselves says it doesn’t work, that's good enough for me. However I am aware that this is a money hungry company so...., and they do state that ATI2011 "has full SSD support" so it may be a way of enticing you to upgrade to 2011.

And are you sure your copy of ATI2010 restores it's images aligned on SSD drives?

Anyway I may upgrade to 2011 anyway being that I got 2010 dirt cheap ($19.99)


And thanks for all the info and suggestions guys
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07 Jan 2011   #15
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

I am sure all my drives are aligned. It is easy to check - even wrote a tutorial about it: SSD Alignment
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07 Jan 2011   #16
sygnus21

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Yeah I saw that tutorial, even used it to post my diskpart info. Though it tells you how to align the SSD drive I saw noting there stating an image created by ATI would be aligned correctly during a restore. Sorry.
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08 Jan 2011   #17
Cato

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mjf View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Cato View Post
I had the same problem when I first got Windows 7 over a year ago. Instead of trying to find out "why" I just went to a third party backup. I had forgot about this problem until I saw your post and now I'm wondering if the following is something that will help:

Solving Windows Image Backup problems | Windows 7 News

In my case it was trying to backup a partition on my second hard drive, the same as yours is doing. I wish I had checked further into then, but I was more interested in getting a backup and learning W7. Would be good to know if this works.
It's a good idea except he doesn't have a separate 100MB system reserved which can run out of shadow copy space (50MB). Also, the imaging works on C: alone when the 2nd drive is disconnected.
Exactly.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Cato View Post
The fact that he could disconnect the second drive and still boot caused me to be skeptical. As far as the SSD, I know nothing about them, and it's the next thing I'm going to take an interest in.
Why is that? This just says all the files needed to boot the system is on C drive.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
sygnus, I was not aware of the ATI2010 problem. Did that actually happen to you? Have you tried with a 1024 alignment? I never had this happen on any of my 4 SSDs and I have done quite a few restores.
No I haven't, but if Acronis themselves says it doesn’t work, that's good enough for me. However I am aware that this is a money hungry company so...., and they do state that ATI2011 "has full SSD support" so it may be a way of enticing you to upgrade to 2011.

And are you sure your copy of ATI2010 restores it's images aligned on SSD drives?

Anyway I may upgrade to 2011 anyway being that I got 2010 dirt cheap ($19.99)


And thanks for all the info and suggestions guys
What I meant by that statement was I was skeptical that the website I posted would solve your problem. Just thought there might be a chance you could glean something from it.
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08 Jan 2011   #18
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
Yeah I saw that tutorial, even used it to post my diskpart info. Though it tells you how to align the SSD drive I saw noting there stating an image created by ATI would be aligned correctly during a restore. Sorry.
That was not my point. I was just answering your question regarding the alignment of my SSDs - at least that is how I thought to have understood it.
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08 Jan 2011   #19
sygnus21

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Cato View Post
What I meant by that statement was I was skeptical that the website I posted would solve your problem. Just thought there might be a chance you could glean something from it.
Actually I thought it was pretty good info, and though I'm not using the suggested fix, I can see where it makes sense. It also explains my issue, and showed me that the program is buggy. So it was helpful

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
Yeah I saw that tutorial, even used it to post my diskpart info. Though it tells you how to align the SSD drive I saw noting there stating an image created by ATI would be aligned correctly during a restore. Sorry.
That was not my point. I was just answering your question regarding the alignment of my SSDs - at least that is how I thought to have understood it.
I think we had a miscommunication issue here

I was specifically asking that if I used ATI2010, would my restored image be aligned.... without having to use diskpart.

Acronis says no on 2010, yes on 2011. You said....

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
sygnus, I was not aware of the ATI2010 problem. Did that actually happen to you? Have you tried with a 1024 alignment? I never had this happen on any of my 4 SSDs and I have done quite a few restores. But I do not have your hardware setup and I use free Macrium for my imaging.
So my question to that statement was were you sure your drives were properly aligned with a ATI2010 restored image before having to use diskpart?

Sorry if I wasn't clear before. Thanks
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08 Jan 2011   #20
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

The ATI2010 alignment question I cannot answer because I don't know - sorry.
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