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Windows 7: Issue with Windows Backup creating System Image

07 Jan 2011   #1

Windows 8.1 Pro
 
 
Issue with Windows Backup creating System Image

Need help with a Windows backup problem.

I'm trying to create a system image of my OS drive (C). This is an SSD drive. Anyway whenever I attempt to create the image, Windows Backup automatically selects my game drive (M) along with C drive and I canít deselect it. In short I have no choice but to have both drives selected.

Now, I do have the MBR on the "C" drive and there are no boot records, files, or folders of any kind on the "M" drive. Yes, I have show all hidden files and folders in folder view enabled.

And to double check that C doesnít need M, Iíve physically removed it and all other drives from the system, and C boots up just fine.

Also, there are no other OSís loaded into the boot loader, just Window 7. Iíve even used this fix again just be sure everything was on C drive - Boot loader on separate partition?

BTW I did create a system image of just C drive by leaving the other drives disconnected, after which I re-connected the drives, tried to create another system image and yes, Windows Backup is STILL insisting on adding the M drive as well.

Anyone have any thoughts on whatís going on? Itís really annoying.

Thanks

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07 Jan 2011   #2

Several, including Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
 
 

I gave up with windows image and now use this;

Free Backup Software for Hard Drive System Backup and Restore. Backup freeware for data backup and disaster recovery in Windows 7/XP/Vista and Linux - EASEUS

<http://www.todo-backup.com/>

No problems since.

Regards....Mike Connor
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07 Jan 2011   #3

Windows 8.1 Pro
 
 

Thanks Mike, but the problem I have is I want to use Windows Backup for my image. I need to know why Windows Backup is doing something that it has no logical reason for doing.

BTW I also have a decent backup program in Acronis True Image 2010 which I've already used to create an image.

Again, need to know why Windows Backup keeps insisting on including a drive that has nothing to do with booting the system.

Thanks.
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07 Jan 2011   #4
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

A disk management screen shot and BIOS boot order could help with suggestions.
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07 Jan 2011   #5
Microsoft MVP

 

Sounds like you've confirmed there are no System files on Games partition so this is likely a fluke. A screenshot would verify this.

I'd just unplug it during imaging as it won't be referenced at all then. You'd want to have all other drives unplugged during reimaging anyway.
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07 Jan 2011   #6

Windows 8.1 Pro
 
 

Not sure what you're looking for in the BIOS, but I can assure you that the SSD drive is the first boot drive.

As for the disk management screen, the C drive is active and does contain the MBR,

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Tis no mere rookie here

Again, I fail to understand why WBU is insisting on asking for a drive with not boot records.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Sounds like you've confirmed there are no System files on Games partition so this is likely a fluke. A screenshot would verify this.

I'd just unplug it during imaging as it won't be referenced at all then. You'd want to have all other drives unplugged during reimaging anyway.
Thanks Greg, that's what I did. It's just annoying that this is happening for no reason. Also as you might imagine, physically disconnecting a drive to do an image is not idea. Really would like to know what the heck is going on.

Thanks

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07 Jan 2011   #7
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
I'd just unplug it during imaging as it won't be referenced at all then.
Pragmatic maybe if the restore also works, but clearly there is an unresolved issue.
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07 Jan 2011   #8

Windows 7 Home Premium
 
 

I had the same problem when I first got Windows 7 over a year ago. Instead of trying to find out "why" I just went to a third party backup. I had forgot about this problem until I saw your post and now I'm wondering if the following is something that will help:

http://www.windows7news.com/2010/09/...ckup-problems/

In my case it was trying to backup a partition on my second hard drive, the same as yours is doing. I wish I had checked further into then, but I was more interested in getting a backup and learning Windows 7. Would be good to know if this works.
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07 Jan 2011   #9
whs

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

I really do not want to be sarcastic, but this is your problem:

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the problem I have is I want to use Windows Backup for my image
We all know by now that the windows imaging (as the other Windows backup facilities) are very capricious, to say the least. I hope you are only experimenting with it for the academic interest and do not intend to rely on them for your production system. Acronis and some of the other options are a lot better for that.
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07 Jan 2011   #10

Windows 8.1 Pro
 
 

Thanks Cato, excellent find! Yeah that looks like what might be going on here. However I'm a little reluctant to try the procedures as I don't want to give up any more hard disk space on my SSD drive. Also It appears that I don’t have the 100MB partition anyway as Windows never seemed to create one for me as shown in disk part…..

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@whs, not to be obtuse, but I would like to use a feature that’s supposed to work. However I do see now that the program is buggy.

My post is to try and find a solution, if none can be found, no sleep will be lost. Now I do value your opinion in this matter as to restoring an image that obviously needs to be aligned correctly on an SSD drive, and from my understanding, ATI2010 doesn’t do this properly, thus my interest in Windows Backup.

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In other words when you restore an image to an SSD drive, it will get the default 63 sectors offset instead of 64kb (or a multiple of 64kb) offset recommended for SSD drives even if this offset was in place when the image had been created. This may result in a drop of performance on certain models of SSD drives after the restore;
Solid State Drive Support in Acronis Products | Knowledge Base

Since Windows Backup seems buggy, and ATI2010 is said not to properly align a SSD drive during an image restore, what do you recommend other than ATI 2011?

Thanks


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