| Windows 7: Volume shadow copy necessary? |
04 Apr 2011
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Volume shadow copy necessary? I wonder if I should use volume shadow copy on my PC. Is it necessary? Is it typical that it creates many problems? | My System Specs |
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04 Apr 2011
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#3 | | Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 Australia |

Quote: Originally Posted by 1976kjell I wonder if I should use volume shadow copy on my PC. Is it necessary? Is it typical that it creates many problems? You need to be a little more specific. Are you just referring to making restore points or the VSS (Volume Shadow Copy Service) in general. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Own build (+ Recased Acer Aspire x1800) OS Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 CPU Intel i7 2600k Motherboard ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe Memory G.Skill Ripjaws (DDR3-1600) 2x4GB Graphics Card Nvidia GeForce GTS 450; Intel HD Graphics 3000(GT2+) Monitor(s) Displays Dell Ultrasharp IPS panel U2311H, Samsung SyncMaster P2350 Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech MK520 (wireless) Mouse Logitech MK520 PSU Seasonic M12II 520W Case Lian Li Lancool PC-K60 Cooling Case: 1x120mm, 3x140mm CPU: Hyper 212+ Hard Drives Crucial M4 128GB (000F), Seagates 1TB Barracuda ST31000528AS + Internet Speed 6-7 Mbps Antivirus Norton NIS, Malwarebytes on 2 (MSE on 3rd PC) Browser FireFox Other Info Audio: Logitech Z523 2.1 |
05 Apr 2011
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#4 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit UK |

Quote: Originally Posted by 1976kjell I wonder if I should use volume shadow copy on my PC. Is it necessary? Is it typical that it creates many problems? If you use Macrium and presumably many other imaging programs the service is required to be enabled else the imaging will not work, unless I'm mistaken. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Compaq desktop OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit CPU Athlon II x2 215 2.7 GHz Motherboard Foxconn Memory 4 GB DDR3 Graphics Card ATI Radeon 3000 integrated Monitor(s) Displays 20" Compaq Screen Resolution 1600 x 900 PSU 400w Zalman (quiet) Hard Drives 2x 320 GB 7200 rpm, various USB backup drives |
05 Apr 2011
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Quote: Originally Posted by scrotiny 
Quote: Originally Posted by 1976kjell I wonder if I should use volume shadow copy on my PC. Is it necessary? Is it typical that it creates many problems? If you use Macrium and presumably many other imaging programs the service is required to be enabled else the imaging will not work, unless I'm mistaken. Never heard that and don't believe that is true. The whole point of having a drive imaging program is to create full images of any specific drive or of the whole complete system. And then to restore that image to get a farked system back up and running.
Since you really can't do a restore of the whole system, whether just the main boot drive or every drive/partition, while the OS is running the image program can work all by itself without any OS background program running.
I myself only install a imaging program long enough to create boot CDs/DVDs or thumb drives and do all my imaging and restoring from one of those. That way there is nothing getting in the way while creating or restoring a image.
I just looked at my services and I have Volume Shadow Copy set to manual and it isn't running. I have no problem creating or restoring. But then I do all that from a boot thumb drive. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Built be Me OS Windows 7 Pro x64 CPU i5 760 Motherboard Asus P7P55D-E Pro Memory 16GB Graphics Card Nvidia GTS450 Sound Card On board Monitor(s) Displays Dell 2007WFP Dell 1800FP Screen Resolution 1680x1050 1280x1024 Keyboard IBM Mouse MS PSU Antec 750 Case In Win Cooling Cooler Master Hyper 212+ Hard Drives Seagate 250GB & 750GB
WD 1TB |
05 Apr 2011
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#6 | | Windows 7 x64 pro/ Windows 7 x86 Pro/ XP SP3 x86 |
Hot imaging requires VSS or other similar propreitary technology to work. Most imaging programs use VSS including macrium and driveimage for hot imaging. Paragon permits users to select between MS VSS and its own HP (Paragon hot processing) technology to live image as far as I know. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Too many to describe... OS Windows 7 x64 pro/ Windows 7 x86 Pro/ XP SP3 x86 |
05 Apr 2011
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Quote: Originally Posted by Shootist 
Quote: Originally Posted by scrotiny 
Quote: Originally Posted by 1976kjell I wonder if I should use volume shadow copy on my PC. Is it necessary? Is it typical that it creates many problems? If you use Macrium and presumably many other imaging programs the service is required to be enabled else the imaging will not work, unless I'm mistaken. Never heard that and don't believe that is true. The whole point of having a drive imaging program is to create full images of any specific drive or of the whole complete system. And then to restore that image to get a farked system back up and running.
Since you really can't do a restore of the whole system, whether just the main boot drive or every drive/partition, while the OS is running the image program can work all by itself without any OS background program running.
I myself only install a imaging program long enough to create boot CDs/DVDs or thumb drives and do all my imaging and restoring from one of those. That way there is nothing getting in the way while creating or restoring a image. I just looked at my services and I have Volume Shadow Copy set to manual and it isn't running. I have no problem creating or restoring. But then I do all that from a boot thumb drive. try disabling it, then do a backup. setting services to manual 'turns them on' when needed. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number mickey megabyte 1234 OS ultimate 64 sp1 CPU i5 2500K 3.3@4.2GHz Motherboard MSI P67A-GD53 Memory 8 gigs GSkill Ripjaws 1600 Graphics Card amd hd6950 Sound Card creative x-fi gamer Monitor(s) Displays samsung 24" Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard saitek eclipse ii Mouse logitech g3 PSU antec 550 Case antec three hundred Cooling i'm a cooling fan Hard Drives ocz vertex 2e 60 gig, samsung f3 1tb, buffalo 2tb ext Internet Speed about 4 Mbps Other Info i love win7 |
05 Apr 2011
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#8 | | W 7 64-bit Ultimate The Lowcountry |

Quote: Originally Posted by Bill2 Hot imaging requires VSS or other similar propreitary technology to work. Most imaging programs use VSS including macrium and driveimage for hot imaging. Paragon permits users to select between MS VSS and its own HP (Paragon hot processing) technology to live image as far as I know.
Of course this is correct; my Paragon 2010 even asks which you prefer during set-up. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number * BFK Customs * OS W 7 64-bit Ultimate CPU Intel Q9550 Yorkfield Motherboard ASUS P5Q Pro Memory 8GB Dominator 8500C5D Graphics Card ATI : XFX 5870 Sound Card Realtek HD Audio 7-1 Monitor(s) Displays 1x 47" LCD HDMI & 3x 26" LCD HDMI Screen Resolution 1920x1080P & 1920x1200 Keyboard Microsoft 500 Mouse Razer Diamondback 3G PSU Corsair 620HX Case Cooler Master RC-690 Cooling Tuniq Tower 120, 2x 140mm and 3x 120mm case fans Hard Drives 1x 80GB Intel X25-M G2 SSD : 1x 500GB & 1x 640GB WD Caviar Black(s) Internet Speed 14 Mb/s Other Info 1x Koutech 3Gb/s SATA HDD Hot Swap Rack |
05 Apr 2011
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#9 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit UK |

Quote: Originally Posted by Shootist 
Quote: Originally Posted by scrotiny 
Quote: Originally Posted by 1976kjell I wonder if I should use volume shadow copy on my PC. Is it necessary? Is it typical that it creates many problems? If you use Macrium and presumably many other imaging programs the service is required to be enabled else the imaging will not work, unless I'm mistaken. Never heard that and don't believe that is true. The whole point of having a drive imaging program is to create full images of any specific drive or of the whole complete system. And then to restore that image to get a farked system back up and running.
Since you really can't do a restore of the whole system, whether just the main boot drive or every drive/partition, while the OS is running the image program can work all by itself without any OS background program running.
I myself only install a imaging program long enough to create boot CDs/DVDs or thumb drives and do all my imaging and restoring from one of those. That way there is nothing getting in the way while creating or restoring a image.
I just looked at my services and I have Volume Shadow Copy set to manual and it isn't running. I have no problem creating or restoring. But then I do all that from a boot thumb drive. As a later post pointed out, having it set to manual is 'enabled' as opposed to 'disabled', that is how I found out about the service. I don't use System Restore and was a bit surprised when I started to have problems with Macrium until I realised what I had just changed. Not sure if it applies to other imaging programs though. I always image within Windows and boot from CD to restore. Thank you to all those who have pointed out Macrium as a decent imaging program as it has worked consistently for me as did Acronis on my older XP system. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Compaq desktop OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit CPU Athlon II x2 215 2.7 GHz Motherboard Foxconn Memory 4 GB DDR3 Graphics Card ATI Radeon 3000 integrated Monitor(s) Displays 20" Compaq Screen Resolution 1600 x 900 PSU 400w Zalman (quiet) Hard Drives 2x 320 GB 7200 rpm, various USB backup drives |
05 Apr 2011
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Quote: Originally Posted by scrotiny 
Quote: Originally Posted by 1976kjell I wonder if I should use volume shadow copy on my PC. Is it necessary? Is it typical that it creates many problems? If you use Macrium and presumably many other imaging programs the service is required to be enabled else the imaging will not work, unless I'm mistaken. Including windows 7 image backup. Any imaging backup software that can make a backup on a live system needs to create a snapshot in time of the system. Most do this by making a volume shadow copy. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home built (GeneO industries)/Model 3 OS Windows 7 64 bit SP1 CPU i5 2500k @ 4.5 GHz, 1.264V 124 GFlop (IBT with AVX) Motherboard ASUS P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 Memory 16GB (4GBx4) 1600MHz G.skill Ripjaws X 8-8-8-24 Graphics Card MSI GTX 660 Ti PE/OC, 2GB 7160 MHz DDR5 clock, 1228 Mhz Core Sound Card Onboard Realtek HD Monitor(s) Displays NEC Spectraview 2490WUXi-SV Screen Resolution 1920 x 1200 Keyboard HP Wireless Mouse HP wireless PSU Seasonic X-850 (2012 KM3 model) Case Fractal Design "Define R3" Cooling CM TPC 812 push/pull, 3 120mm, 2 TY-140 case fans Hard Drives Samsung 128GB 840 Pro SSD (System), Crucial 128GB M4 SSD, 2x WD Caviar 1TB Black internal (data), 1x WD Blue 6Gb/s 1TB Internal, 1x 2TB eSata WD20EARS Green, 2x 500GB Seagate external USB, 1x 350GB exte Internet Speed 27.8 Mb/s down, 5.6 Mb/s up Other Info USB 3.0 x4 , SATA III x4, eSATA x3, SATA II x4, USB 2.0 x8. 2 Samsung DVD R/W drives.
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