Successful System backup

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Hi All, I just successfully did my first system image using Windows Back up & Restore, using option 1 that's the "recommended" backup. I would also like to back up my data etc. as well, which I imagine is the second option of making a back up. Can I do a second back up on my external drive following the first back up, and is the system also backed up on the second option? Will 2 different type back ups following each other on my external drive confuse the schedule? This is my first back up with my new WIN7 64 bit Premium Home, so I'm a nooby at this. Thanks in advance for any help. :)
 

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Intel Core i5-2400 processor(6MB Cache, 3.1GHz)
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8 GB RAM
Hard Drives
1.5TB C Drive
Where is the data you want to backup?

a) Within your user folders (my docs/music etc)

b) On another partition?

If 'a' then the recommended settings should already include the data. If 'b' then you will have to set up a custom backup (second option). This second option is for adding or removing items from the backup including any system image.

However, looking ahead you may want to think further about your backup strategy. About the amount of space you will need, the time the backups will take, and worse-case-scenario disaster recovery? Windows 7 BackUp is quite basic and pretty slow, and if you keep adding data to a lone partition it will likely take some hours to perform.

Overall the best solution is to have Windows 7 and your programs on C:, and your data on another partition (say) D:, and both will then be better protected.

Let us know the sizes of the drives involved and where you are/will be storing the data and I'm sure you'll get some more detailed help (if you require it).

For more info on keeping different versions of system images check out the 'notes' in this forum article...
 

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Windows 7
Windows has two very different backup mechanisms in it's "Backup & Restore" capabilities.
1) file/folder backups - typically documents and general personal multimedia material.
2) System images which are complete "snapshots" of a disk partition. This includes OS, programs, data etc.
They use completely different backup programs.

Ultimately I believe it's best to take over complete manual control of the system imaging part. This involves deselecting the automatically create a system image box in the backup settings. Then use the "create a system image" button on the left of the backup screen to make images at appropriate times.
 

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Where is the data you want to backup?

a) Within your user folders (my docs/music etc)

b) On another partition?

If 'a' then the recommended settings should already include the data. If 'b' then you will have to set up a custom backup (second option). This second option is for adding or removing items from the backup including any system image.

However, looking ahead you may want to think further about your backup strategy. About the amount of space you will need, the time the backups will take, and worse-case-scenario disaster recovery? Windows 7 BackUp is quite basic and pretty slow, and if you keep adding data to a lone partition it will likely take some hours to perform.

Overall the best solution is to have Windows 7 and your programs on C:, and your data on another partition (say) D:, and both will then be better protected.

Let us know the sizes of the drives involved and where you are/will be storing the data and I'm sure you'll get some more detailed help (if you require it).

For more info on keeping different versions of system images check out the 'notes' in this forum article...
Thanks for your response. I have a 1.5TB C drive, and a 2TB external drive. However, after doing my first backup it only required 77GB in total. I just got this computer and my stuff from my old XP computer didn't amount to much. I agree that over time my new computer will accumulate much more being its able to do much more than the old computer.
 

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
DELLXPS 8300
OS
WIN7 x64 Home Premium SP1
CPU
Intel Core i5-2400 processor(6MB Cache, 3.1GHz)
Memory
8 GB RAM
Hard Drives
1.5TB C Drive
Windows has two very different backup mechanisms in it's "Backup & Restore" capabilities.
1) file/folder backups - typically documents and general personal multimedia material.
2) System images which are complete "snapshots" of a disk partition. This includes OS, programs, data etc.
They use completely different backup programs.

Ultimately I believe it's best to take over complete manual control of the system imaging part. This involves deselecting the automatically create a system image box in the backup settings. Then use the "create a system image" button on the left of the backup screen to make images at appropriate times.
Thanks for the info. I don't like scheduled backups because I don't leave my computer on 24/7, and I'm liable to miss a scheduled backup, so I agree with your approach. I did the "recommended" backup because it was the first time I used the Backup and restore and wanted to see how it would go. Your instructions have helped me understand the procedure to manually back up.
 

My Computer

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DELLXPS 8300
OS
WIN7 x64 Home Premium SP1
CPU
Intel Core i5-2400 processor(6MB Cache, 3.1GHz)
Memory
8 GB RAM
Hard Drives
1.5TB C Drive
Hi All, I just successfully did my first system image using Windows Back up & Restore, using option 1 that's the "recommended" backup. I would also like to back up my data etc. as well, which I imagine is the second option of making a back up. Can I do a second back up on my external drive following the first back up, and is the system also backed up on the second option? Will 2 different type back ups following each other on my external drive confuse the schedule? This is my first back up with my new WIN7 64 bit Premium Home, so I'm a nooby at this. Thanks in advance for any help. :)

Congratulations, When I try to do a system backup it fails all the time :mad:
 

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Dell Studio 1747
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Windows 7 64bit
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Ati Mobility Radeon HD 4650
Hard Drives
500GB
Hi All, I just successfully did my first system image using Windows Back up & Restore, using option 1 that's the "recommended" backup. I would also like to back up my data etc. as well, which I imagine is the second option of making a back up. Can I do a second back up on my external drive following the first back up, and is the system also backed up on the second option? Will 2 different type back ups following each other on my external drive confuse the schedule? This is my first back up with my new WIN7 64 bit Premium Home, so I'm a nooby at this. Thanks in advance for any help. :)
Thats really good I've tried to use windows backup/restore, it was nothing but headaches.... Gave up on the windows based backup started useing EASEUS todo backup home 2.0 ..... It worked like a charm, lots of options.. Personly it bugs me to use third party backup, when windows backup/restore should work..
 

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home build
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Intel(R) Core(tm) i5 cpu 760@ 2.80ghz 2400 mhz, Quad core
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Asus P7P55D-E-LX INTEL
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Hi All, I just successfully did my first system image using Windows Back up & Restore, using option 1 that's the "recommended" backup. I would also like to back up my data etc. as well, which I imagine is the second option of making a back up. Can I do a second back up on my external drive following the first back up, and is the system also backed up on the second option? Will 2 different type back ups following each other on my external drive confuse the schedule? This is my first back up with my new WIN7 64 bit Premium Home, so I'm a nooby at this. Thanks in advance for any help. :)
Thats really good I've tried to use windows backup/restore, it was nothing but headaches.... Gave up on the windows based backup started useing EASEUS todo backup home 2.0 ..... It worked like a charm, lots of options.. Personly it bugs me to use third party backup, when windows backup/restore should work..
I'm sorry that I can't help you two with your inability to make Win backup/restore work for you, as I am basically just blindly following the directions. The only thing that comes to mind is if you are logged on as the Administrator or not.
 

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
DELLXPS 8300
OS
WIN7 x64 Home Premium SP1
CPU
Intel Core i5-2400 processor(6MB Cache, 3.1GHz)
Memory
8 GB RAM
Hard Drives
1.5TB C Drive
i need no help thanx... I back up useing third party products because win7 backup just has to many problems.. And i do follow instructions thanx for you advice that was unsilicited...
 

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home build
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Intel(R) Core(tm) i5 cpu 760@ 2.80ghz 2400 mhz, Quad core
Motherboard
Asus P7P55D-E-LX INTEL
Memory
Kinston hyperX 12GB DDR3 PC3-12800 daul
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Asus GeForce GTX 460 1gb GDDR5
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Fatal1ty Champ1on recon 3D from Sound Blaster (PCI-E)
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LG Flatron W2442PA 24''/sony bravia 32'' LCD
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Western Digital WD1002FAEX 1TB (x2)
Seagate 1TB
Seagate 500GB
Western Digital WD30EFRX-68A 3TB (x2)
Western Digital 2TB
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OCZ 600W +80 ModXStream Pro Power Supply
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HAF CoolMaster 912
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a fan or two or five cool it......
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microsoft wireless 700
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microsoft wireless 700
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50 MGBps download / 4 MGBps upload
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Panda Global 2013
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Mozilla
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Bose 7.1 True surround sound .... and its LOUD!!!!!!!

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It's curious.
Some people have no end of trouble with Windows backup (file/folder + imaging).
Others have a dream run.

After assisting many people (or attempting to) I find there is no standout common cause.

Just use on of the many free or paid alternatives. Start by giving Macrium Reflect (free) a try for imaging. Macrium is highly regarded.
 

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G.Skill Ripjaws (DDR3-1600) 2x4GB
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Nvidia GeForce GTS 450; Intel HD Graphics 3000(GT2+)
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Having a good 15min disaster recovery plan is about the best thing you can do for your PC, and your sanity.

First of all I'd recommend you think about partitioning both your drives, especially the one housing your Windows OS. Around 100 GB for Windows+programs, and the remainder for data, is a good place to start.

Windows 7 can handle this and here are a couple of related Sevenforums tutorials;

How to Create a New Partition or Volume in Windows 7
How to Shrink a Partition or Volume in Windows 7

notes; Often people struggle with achieving their partitioning aims with Windows 7's own utilities. The chief cause being Windows has placed a system file at/near the end of the disk which hinders the anticipated outcome. To get around this you would need to perform a number of defrags, shrinks and/or expands, plus restarts (usually 2-4 cycles in my experience). The defragging is best performed using a third party defragger that offers boot time defrag (be informed of how any such software handles Windows shadow copies/restore points for this type of operation), whereby the system files can be moved whilst Windows is offline.

A typical cycle would be;

Shrink and/or expand > restart > boot time defrag > restart > shrink and/or expand > restart > normal defrag > restart > shrink and/or expand

Otherwise there are many free and paid-for partitioning solutions for which there is plenty of info to be found in the forums/tutorials.

Getting back to Windows own imaging backup, I agree with 'mjf' that it is better to use the manual option.

It's curious.
Some people have no end of trouble with Windows backup (file/folder + imaging).
Others have a dream run.

After assisting many people (or attempting to) I find there is no standout common cause.

Whilst not conclusive I've found in many cases these problems can be traced to the user having moved/changed/renamed one or more of the default user folders (my documents, etc). Alternatively, the user has some irregular arrangements concerning libraries. The former directly affecting the imaging of the libraries portion. Therefore anyone struggling to get Windows image backup to complete might try excluding libraries if any of the aforementioned applies?

In the event of a serious disaster, you might have to restore from a Windows image backup that's some months old. However, this would mean new data on the partition would be lost. In which case, with Windows+programs on one partition, and your data on another, you have the potential to restore everything fully-as-was.

If this is the strategy you opt for, using the manual option, thoroughly cherry pick which folders will not be required for the image backup? For example I have numerous groups of portable programs that amount to a fair size, and which I backup differently, that do not need to be imaged in the backup. Personally, I don't like libraries, I've disabled them, and so I exclude them. Leave all the user folders as defaulted, the same goes without saying for Windows+installed program folders and files. Check the option to include a system image of the drive/s.

Whilst you've said you prefer not to use scheduled backups, no single imaging tool is foolproof. Therefore it may be worth your while considering a second utility, so you could have another independent image backup? As much as these utilities work, there are many accounts of when they do not. I use Clonezilla alongside Windows imaging, for example. There are plenty to consider and you don't have to use any scheduling, as you prefer.

Once you have your main drive partitioned and your backup settings organised you'll need to decide how to backup your data? At this point I'd suggest once more that you consider partitioning your external drive also, 50/50, one partition for image back ups and the other for your data (see documentation for your device)?

For the job itself I prefer and so recommend FreeFileSync (the installer should default to your PC architecture). It's free, well supported, reliable, and pretty fast overall. I've been using it for folders of 80+ GB without any issues, and it can be set up in a variety of ways to suit. I've opted for a semi-automated approach and use the in-built batch file generator, in conjunction with Windows Task scheduler, to run mirrors of each data folder (music, video, pics, etc) onto a dedicated external drive. Spreading these tasks out over the week, some daily, some weekly, sees little impact on the system. Once you have completed the initial runs, subsequent runs are far less time consuming, especially so when compared with imaging the data. The added benefit is your data (backup) is also very portable. If you go for FFS I'll be glad to help with any questions you may have...
 

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OS
Windows 7
It's curious.
Some people have no end of trouble with Windows backup (file/folder + imaging).
Others have a dream run.

After assisting many people (or attempting to) I find there is no standout common cause.

Whilst not conclusive I've found in many cases these problems can be traced to the user having moved/changed/renamed one or more of the default user folders (my documents, etc). Alternatively, the user has some irregular arrangements concerning libraries. The former directly affecting the imaging of the libraries portion. Therefore anyone struggling to get Windows image backup to complete might try excluding libraries if any of the aforementioned applies?




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Thanks for this informative post. I'd just like to comment on your paragraph above. I think you hit the nail on the head. I just set up my new computer, and read that I should do a backup asap. So before I made any changes or added anything I did my first image in Backup/Restore and it went flawless.
 

My Computer

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DELLXPS 8300
OS
WIN7 x64 Home Premium SP1
CPU
Intel Core i5-2400 processor(6MB Cache, 3.1GHz)
Memory
8 GB RAM
Hard Drives
1.5TB C Drive
I don't doubt that mucking around with default libraries could cause all sorts of grief.
I don't think timing of your first image/backup matters at all.
Making your factory recovery backup should be made asap.
 

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ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe
Memory
G.Skill Ripjaws (DDR3-1600) 2x4GB
Graphics Card(s)
Nvidia GeForce GTS 450; Intel HD Graphics 3000(GT2+)
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Dell Ultrasharp IPS panel U2311H, Samsung SyncMaster P2350
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Samsung 850 Pro SSD 256GB, Samsung SSD 840 120GB, Seagates 1TB Barracuda ST31000528AS x2
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Case: 1x120mm, 3x140mm CPU: Hyper 212+
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Mouse
Logitech MK520
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Norton Security Premium, Malwarebytes on 2 (MSE on 3rd PC)
Browser
FireFox
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