| Windows 7: Upgrading to SSDs in RAID 0 |
11 May 2011
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Upgrading to SSDs in RAID 0 I'm currently running a homebuilt machine with a pair of 150G Velocirapters in RAID 0. It's a fast array, but I'm looking at nearly doubling the read/write speed with the SSDs. I'm using WIN 7, 64 Pro.
I use Acronis True Image to back up to an external HD daily, so that's covered. Here's the question:
If I was to remove the current RAID HDs and replace them with the new SSD drives, would the system boot up in the RAID 0 configuration, ready for a restore from the external drive, or, would I have to re-configure the new SSDs in BIOS to RAID 0?
If this was a new build I wouldn't be concerned. However, I've been using and adding to this system for almost a year and would hate to lose everything. | My System Specs |
| System Manufacturer/Model Number home built OS win 7 pro 64 bit CPU Intel Q9650 @3.0 Ghz Motherboard EVGA nforce 790i SLI FTW Memory 8Gb Corsair DDR3, 2 ch, 1600 MHz Graphics Card EVGA GeForce GTX 460 OCd Sound Card SoundBlaster THX Pro Monitor(s) Displays ASUS VE278 27" Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard Logitech wireless Mouse Logitech wireless PSU Corsair 750W Case Thermaltake Cooling T-220mm, S-220mm, F-120mm, R-120mm, Arctic Pro 7 CPU Hard Drives OCZ SSD Vertex-2 120 SSD GB
WD Velociraptor 150 GB x 2 in RAID 0,
WD Velociraptor 300 GB,
WD 120 GB
WD 2 TB External Internet Speed 7 mbps down, 768 kbps up Other Info CPU idle 30-34 deg C |
11 May 2011
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#2 | | Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 Florida in winter, Black Forest/Germany |
Although I have never tried this setup myself (because I think an SSD Raid is pretty useless in real life), I would think that this should work. You have to make sure that you properly align the SSDs because you restore from an image. SSD Alignment You also have to define a primary, active partition to which you restore the OS. And if you have a 100MB active partition, things get a bit more complicated. You find some guidance here: SSD - Install and Transfer the Operating System
With all that being said, I would recommend to install only one SSD for the OS and leave the user data on the rapters. For the OS, the R/W speeds are pretty irrelevant because the OS deals with small blocks or 4K and 8K. It is the access time that accounts for the superb performance - and that is the same for a single SSD or a Raid. Thus there is nothing to be gained and you only complicate your life.
But if you think that Raid is your life, get a Revo drive ( Newegg.com - ocz revodrive x2 ) - provided you have a PCI-e x4 on your board. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops OS Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 CPU from 1.6GHz Duo to i7 Monitor(s) Displays 2x HP w2207 Keyboard with trackball - no mices Mouse Trackball mice Hard Drives 5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals Internet Speed DSL 6000 |
11 May 2011
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whs: Thanks for the links and info. That's what I was looking for. You're probably right about the RAID and SSDs, but the Raptors in RAID 0 went from ~100 MBs stand alone to 190 MBs in Raid 0 configuration. That's practically the same as the individual SSDs!
As for Raid being my life, not. I enjoy building and learning about systems, and SSd's in Raid 0 is something I've never tried. Just having fun. Thanks again! | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number home built OS win 7 pro 64 bit CPU Intel Q9650 @3.0 Ghz Motherboard EVGA nforce 790i SLI FTW Memory 8Gb Corsair DDR3, 2 ch, 1600 MHz Graphics Card EVGA GeForce GTX 460 OCd Sound Card SoundBlaster THX Pro Monitor(s) Displays ASUS VE278 27" Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard Logitech wireless Mouse Logitech wireless PSU Corsair 750W Case Thermaltake Cooling T-220mm, S-220mm, F-120mm, R-120mm, Arctic Pro 7 CPU Hard Drives OCZ SSD Vertex-2 120 SSD GB
WD Velociraptor 150 GB x 2 in RAID 0,
WD Velociraptor 300 GB,
WD 120 GB
WD 2 TB External Internet Speed 7 mbps down, 768 kbps up Other Info CPU idle 30-34 deg C |
11 May 2011
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#4 | | Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 Florida in winter, Black Forest/Germany |
FORGET the R/W speeds when it comes to the OS. Access time rules the OS - and that is 0.1ms for an SSD versus appr. 12 to 15ms for your rapters.
R/W speed buys you something if you shove a lot of data - but the OS does not do that. Keep your rapters for the data and one SSD for the system. It is cheaper and more efficient- | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops OS Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 CPU from 1.6GHz Duo to i7 Monitor(s) Displays 2x HP w2207 Keyboard with trackball - no mices Mouse Trackball mice Hard Drives 5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals Internet Speed DSL 6000 |
11 May 2011
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Quote: Originally Posted by snit3 whs: Thanks for the links and info. That's what I was looking for. You're probably right about the RAID and SSDs, but the Raptors in RAID 0 went from ~100 MBs stand alone to 190 MBs in Raid 0 configuration. That's practically the same as the individual SSDs! From a read perspective that is correct. However, the value of the SSD is really it's ultra low random access time of 0.1ms across the entire disc that benefits your operating system. For running an OS, there aren't massive files that get read or massive files that get written. Think of it this way, if you have 3 x 5MB files to read....that's a total of 15MB. If you can read 100MB/sec...then you could read these files in .15 seconds. If you could read 300MB/sec, you could read the file in 0.05seconds. And if you could read them at 1,000MB/sec, you could read the file in 0.015seconds. The point is, it's always fractions of seconds....hardly noticeable.
RAID 0's are great for data drive (ONLY WHEN YOU HAVE A BACKUP THOUGH). This is where huge read/write performance benefits are needed. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self-Built in July 2009 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS Memory 8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings Graphics Card EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570 Sound Card Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio Monitor(s) Displays 23" Acer x233H Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard ABS M1 Mechanical Mouse Logitech G9 Laser Mouse PSU Corsair 620HX modular Case Antec P182 Cooling stock Hard Drives Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
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11 May 2011
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#6 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. SP-1 Northern Ohio |
I somewhat lost. When you have a ssd in raid 0 installing a backup to a hard drive that is that much slower than the ssd how can the read/write speed be any faster than the hard drive can except? | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home made Desktop OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. SP-1 CPU Intel i7-960-3.2 @ 4.25 Motherboard ASUS P6X58D-E Memory KINGSTON KHX2000C9, Hyper X,12 GIGS Graphics Card MSI/Nvidia/460GTX-Cyclone 1GD5/OC Monitor(s) Displays DYNEX 40 IN. Screen Resolution 1920-1080 or 1280-720 HDMI Keyboard M/S 3000 v 2.0 wireless Mouse M/S 5000 wireless PSU Corsair AX-850 Plus Gold Case Corsair 600T (Black) + side panel with 2 140 mm Noctua fans Cooling Corsair H50/2 Noctua NF-P12 (120 mm) Push/Pull- Hard Drives INTEL SSD 120GB-SER 510
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12 May 2011
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pparks1 - Both you and whs have made this point, and it's a good one. From the standpoint of economy and performance the SSD is the place for the OS, and the Raptors for the big files. (I do a bunch of video editing) The problem is I'd have to do a fresh install of Win 7 to the SSD because (unfortunately) my bu image contains more than the OS.
Layback Bear - You can't, but that's not what I was trying to do. Acronis backup (incremental) takes only 2-3 minutes right now. No need for more speed there.
Again, everybody - I'm fiddling around. Experimenting. I'm retired and started working with computers back in the early 70's, so EVERYTHING seems fast now!!
Thanks again. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number home built OS win 7 pro 64 bit CPU Intel Q9650 @3.0 Ghz Motherboard EVGA nforce 790i SLI FTW Memory 8Gb Corsair DDR3, 2 ch, 1600 MHz Graphics Card EVGA GeForce GTX 460 OCd Sound Card SoundBlaster THX Pro Monitor(s) Displays ASUS VE278 27" Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard Logitech wireless Mouse Logitech wireless PSU Corsair 750W Case Thermaltake Cooling T-220mm, S-220mm, F-120mm, R-120mm, Arctic Pro 7 CPU Hard Drives OCZ SSD Vertex-2 120 SSD GB
WD Velociraptor 150 GB x 2 in RAID 0,
WD Velociraptor 300 GB,
WD 120 GB
WD 2 TB External Internet Speed 7 mbps down, 768 kbps up Other Info CPU idle 30-34 deg C |
12 May 2011
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#8 | | Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 Florida in winter, Black Forest/Germany |
I would check into the Paragon Migration Tool and discuss with them whether they would properly migrate your current setup to a single SSD. Send them a mail, they are very good in answering. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops OS Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 CPU from 1.6GHz Duo to i7 Monitor(s) Displays 2x HP w2207 Keyboard with trackball - no mices Mouse Trackball mice Hard Drives 5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals Internet Speed DSL 6000 |
12 May 2011
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Thanks for that additional link, whs. BTW: I've attached the spec's for the Velociraptors in RAID 0 | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number home built OS win 7 pro 64 bit CPU Intel Q9650 @3.0 Ghz Motherboard EVGA nforce 790i SLI FTW Memory 8Gb Corsair DDR3, 2 ch, 1600 MHz Graphics Card EVGA GeForce GTX 460 OCd Sound Card SoundBlaster THX Pro Monitor(s) Displays ASUS VE278 27" Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard Logitech wireless Mouse Logitech wireless PSU Corsair 750W Case Thermaltake Cooling T-220mm, S-220mm, F-120mm, R-120mm, Arctic Pro 7 CPU Hard Drives OCZ SSD Vertex-2 120 SSD GB
WD Velociraptor 150 GB x 2 in RAID 0,
WD Velociraptor 300 GB,
WD 120 GB
WD 2 TB External Internet Speed 7 mbps down, 768 kbps up Other Info CPU idle 30-34 deg C |
12 May 2011
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#10 | | Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 Florida in winter, Black Forest/Germany |
The access time is a bit faster than I thought. But it is still 67 times slower than an SSD. Here are a couple of my SSDs as an example: | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops OS Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 CPU from 1.6GHz Duo to i7 Monitor(s) Displays 2x HP w2207 Keyboard with trackball - no mices Mouse Trackball mice Hard Drives 5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals Internet Speed DSL 6000 Upgrading to SSDs in RAID 0 problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:25 AM. | |