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Windows 7: Which is Best Image or Clone


28 Nov 2011   #21
whs
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seekermeister, if you want to make your life real easy, use this program (works HDD to HDD too) Paragon Paragon Migrate OS to SSD - Overview
Thanks, but I'm fairly happy with True Image. What is there about this program that makes you feel it is easier?
It transfers the OS and the 100MB partition with 2 clicks. I use it mostely for transfer to SSDs. There is makes also all the settings (alignment, etc.).


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28 Nov 2011   #22

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ignatzatsonic View Post
A sector by sector image might include the page file or restore points and can be preferable if you were, for instance, a law enforcement officer interested in data recovery at a forensic level---where you had an interest in deleted files. But I can't recall reading of any reasons it might otherwise be preferable. I don't know why one method or the other would be less likely to lose game history.
Restore points...that is one of the things that I had forgotten about. Personally, I don't feel that this would only be of interest to law enforcement...actually, I don't know why it would be of use to them, but then I'm not into that sort of thing.
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28 Nov 2011   #23

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
seekermeister, if you want to make your life real easy, use this program (works HDD to HDD too) Paragon Paragon Migrate OS to SSD - Overview
Thanks, but I'm fairly happy with True Image. What is there about this program that makes you feel it is easier?
It transfers the OS and the 100MB partition with 2 clicks. I use it mostely for transfer to SSDs. There is makes also all the settings (alignment, etc.).
Since I don't have that 100mb partition, and am not yet into SSDs, I guess it would come down to a few less clicks, but then what's a few clicks when one has nothing better to do.
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28 Nov 2011   #24
whs
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I guess you are right. I just like the easy routes.
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28 Nov 2011   #25

MS Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit (Family Pack Lic.) Upgrade
 
 

It has been said, but bits and pieces here and there, to clarify:


A Cloned Drive (often refereed to as a clone for simplicity & confusion) Is a second drive written sector-by-sector (empty space and protected system files, etc) - and DOES require "tyeing up" a Full extra HDD - But on the good side, it is possible to literally use it as a instant replacement, and can be tested to be assured that it copied correctly.

A Cloned Partition - is likewise copied from the original drive's part. to another HDD's part. sector by sector, everything including blank space and system files is copied (I have never know of this allowing the from and to partitions to be on the same drive)

A Raw Image - is just like a clone in many ways - and comes in both flavors (part or drive) depending on the S/W used (it copies sector by sector - and again includes all sectors regardless of content or lack thereof.) It can be stored, albeit a huge file, and later written to the original or a new drive or partition for an exact copy that, yes is similar to a clone, but more versatile to move to desired final location of choice, but cannot be "tested" like a cloned drive can.

And Image file - Is the most commonly used implementation of the four mentioned types of backups, It copies all the files excluding protected system files (pagefile.sys, restore pts, etc) Because it does not copy blank sectors or certain system files it is substantially smaller and can be compressed (unless the drive of origin was compressed prior to backing it up) It is versatile,able to be used on any HDD as needed, on the downside, there are indeed instances that a problem during the shadowing process (which picks the drive/volume apart into copies so it doesn't change in the middle of the op) are either not realized by the software, or damaged after the copy, leading to a corrupt image. It can sometimes be "pseudo-quasi-tested by going through a catalog of files and checking them, but without being installed on the final mass storage media/HDD like a clone would be, there is more processing to be done to reassemble the drive and offers an opportunity for problems to occur. But small and versatile and quick!



So in the end, it depends on your intend purpose for making the backup and amount of extra HDD's you have.
  • I have used True Image many times (hundreds) and only once was an image corrupt that I can remember anyway!
  • O & O is a similar or identical engine with a different UI.
  • And I honestly have never used Paragon Paragon Migrate OS to SSD that had you have had so much luck with, so I can't help, It may be better, equal, or worse, you do have one good opinion of it though so ask around if you might use it, to make yourself feel more confident (although you sound like your mind is made up)
Hope this helps at least consolidate!

Mike
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30 Nov 2011   #26

Win7 Pro 32-bit, Win8 Pro 32-bit
 
 

Macrium Reflect has a product that allows you to "migrate" a Windows 7 install from a hard drive to a SMALLER SSD -- by allowing you, as part of the migration effort, to exclude specific file types (i.e., pictures, videos, data files). Sorry, don't remember the product name -- but you might want to look into this.
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30 Nov 2011   #27
whs
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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Mark Phelps View Post
Macrium Reflect has a product that allows you to "migrate" a Windows 7 install from a hard drive to a SMALLER SSD -- by allowing you, as part of the migration effort, to exclude specific file types (i.e., pictures, videos, data files). Sorry, don't remember the product name -- but you might want to look into this.
Are you sure you talk about Macrium and not Paragon - like this one: Paragon Paragon Migrate OS to SSD - Overview It can do what you described.
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01 Dec 2011   #28

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

Not sure I'd bother with Paragon Migrate OS to SSD, it's a pretty poorly written bit of software. On my Windows 7 64 bit system it goes through all the motions, reboots to continue copying the data to the new SSD partition and then comes up with 'Some Error Occured: Bad parameter of function'... and an 'OK' box which doesn't accept any input. On a reset when windows finishes booting it runs and tells you it's successfully copied your drive and you should now change the boot order...but of course it hasn't. not terribly helpful.

I've mailed support but they haven't replied yet and scanning the net there are lots of people having problem swith this software and support isn't very good.

Looking at the partition layout of the SSD after the failure it's copied the 83MB or so system partition but hasn't even created the primary partition, much less copied it.
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01 Dec 2011   #29

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Macrium Free v5 has the ability to do either an "intelligent" sector copy or a sector by sector copy. This applies both to Imaging and Cloning.
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01 Dec 2011   #30

Win7 Pro 32-bit, Win8 Pro 32-bit
 
 

To answer the previous question -- YES, I'm sure it was Macrium Reflect. The product is known as RoboRestore.
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