| Windows 7: Which is Best Image or Clone |
28 Nov 2011
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| | Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 17,869 posts Florida in winter, Black Forest/Germany |

Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister Thanks, but I'm fairly happy with True Image. What is there about this program that makes you feel it is easier? It transfers the OS and the 100MB partition with 2 clicks. I use it mostely for transfer to SSDs. There is makes also all the settings (alignment, etc.). | My System Specs |
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28 Nov 2011
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| | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE 6,804 posts Indian Territory |

Quote: Originally Posted by ignatzatsonic A sector by sector image might include the page file or restore points and can be preferable if you were, for instance, a law enforcement officer interested in data recovery at a forensic level---where you had an interest in deleted files. But I can't recall reading of any reasons it might otherwise be preferable. I don't know why one method or the other would be less likely to lose game history. Restore points...that is one of the things that I had forgotten about. Personally, I don't feel that this would only be of interest to law enforcement...actually, I don't know why it would be of use to them, but then I'm not into that sort of thing. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
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28 Nov 2011
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| | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE 6,804 posts Indian Territory |

Quote: Originally Posted by whs 
Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister Thanks, but I'm fairly happy with True Image. What is there about this program that makes you feel it is easier? It transfers the OS and the 100MB partition with 2 clicks. I use it mostely for transfer to SSDs. There is makes also all the settings (alignment, etc.). Since I don't have that 100mb partition, and am not yet into SSDs, I guess it would come down to a few less clicks, but then what's a few clicks when one has nothing better to do. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
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28 Nov 2011
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| | Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 17,869 posts Florida in winter, Black Forest/Germany |
I guess you are right. I just like the easy routes. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops OS Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 CPU from 1.6GHz Duo to i7 Monitor(s) Displays 2x HP w2207 Keyboard with trackball - no mices Mouse Trackball mice Hard Drives 5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals Internet Speed DSL 6000 |
28 Nov 2011
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| | MS Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit (Family Pack Lic.) Upgrade 1,631 posts tampa bay area, fl |
It has been said, but bits and pieces here and there, to clarify: A Cloned Drive (often refereed to as a clone for simplicity & confusion  ) Is a second drive written sector-by-sector (empty space and protected system files, etc) - and DOES require "tyeing up" a Full extra HDD - But on the good side, it is possible to literally use it as a instant replacement, and can be tested to be assured that it copied correctly. A Cloned Partition - is likewise copied from the original drive's part. to another HDD's part. sector by sector, everything including blank space and system files is copied (I have never know of this allowing the from and to partitions to be on the same drive) A Raw Image - is just like a clone in many ways - and comes in both flavors (part or drive) depending on the S/W used (it copies sector by sector - and again includes all sectors regardless of content or lack thereof.) It can be stored, albeit a huge file, and later written to the original or a new drive or partition for an exact copy that, yes is similar to a clone, but more versatile to move to desired final location of choice, but cannot be "tested" like a cloned drive can. And Image file - Is the most commonly used implementation of the four mentioned types of backups, It copies all the files excluding protected system files (pagefile.sys, restore pts, etc) Because it does not copy blank sectors or certain system files it is substantially smaller and can be compressed (unless the drive of origin was compressed prior to backing it up) It is versatile,able to be used on any HDD as needed, on the downside, there are indeed instances that a problem during the shadowing process (which picks the drive/volume apart into copies so it doesn't change in the middle of the op) are either not realized by the software, or damaged after the copy, leading to a corrupt image. It can sometimes be "pseudo-quasi-tested by going through a catalog of files and checking them, but without being installed on the final mass storage media/HDD like a clone would be, there is more processing to be done to reassemble the drive and offers an opportunity for problems to occur. But small and versatile and quick!
So in the end, it depends on your intend purpose for making the backup and amount of extra HDD's you have. - I have used True Image many times (hundreds) and only once was an image corrupt that I can remember anyway!
- O & O is a similar or identical engine with a different UI.
- And I honestly have never used Paragon Paragon Migrate OS to SSD that had you have had so much luck with, so I can't help, It may be better, equal, or worse, you do have one good opinion of it though so ask around if you might use it, to make yourself feel more confident (although you sound like your mind is made up)
Hope this helps at least consolidate!
Mike
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30 Nov 2011
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| | Win7 Pro 32-bit, Win7 Home 32-bit 1,002 posts |
Macrium Reflect has a product that allows you to "migrate" a Windows 7 install from a hard drive to a SMALLER SSD -- by allowing you, as part of the migration effort, to exclude specific file types (i.e., pictures, videos, data files). Sorry, don't remember the product name -- but you might want to look into this. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom OS Win7 Pro 32-bit, Win7 Home 32-bit CPU AMD 4400/Intel 915 Motherboard ASUS/Intel Memory 2GB DDR 400 Graphics Card ATI X1600/Builtin Intel 915 Sound Card Bluegear B-Enspirer/Builtin sound Monitor(s) Displays Samsung 24" widescreen Screen Resolution 1920x1200/1024 x 768 |
30 Nov 2011
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| | Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 17,869 posts Florida in winter, Black Forest/Germany |

Quote: Originally Posted by Mark Phelps Macrium Reflect has a product that allows you to "migrate" a Windows 7 install from a hard drive to a SMALLER SSD -- by allowing you, as part of the migration effort, to exclude specific file types (i.e., pictures, videos, data files). Sorry, don't remember the product name -- but you might want to look into this. Are you sure you talk about Macrium and not Paragon - like this one: Paragon Paragon Migrate OS to SSD - Overview It can do what you described. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops OS Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 CPU from 1.6GHz Duo to i7 Monitor(s) Displays 2x HP w2207 Keyboard with trackball - no mices Mouse Trackball mice Hard Drives 5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals Internet Speed DSL 6000 |
01 Dec 2011
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| | Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit 1 posts |
Not sure I'd bother with Paragon Migrate OS to SSD, it's a pretty poorly written bit of software. On my Windows 7 64 bit system it goes through all the motions, reboots to continue copying the data to the new SSD partition and then comes up with 'Some Error Occured: Bad parameter of function'... and an 'OK' box which doesn't accept any input. On a reset when windows finishes booting it runs and tells you it's successfully copied your drive and you should now change the boot order...but of course it hasn't. not terribly helpful.
I've mailed support but they haven't replied yet and scanning the net there are lots of people having problem swith this software and support isn't very good.
Looking at the partition layout of the SSD after the failure it's copied the 83MB or so system partition but hasn't even created the primary partition, much less copied it. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit |
01 Dec 2011
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| | Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1 5,194 posts Hertfordshire |
Macrium Free v5 has the ability to do either an "intelligent" sector copy or a sector by sector copy. This applies both to Imaging and Cloning. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Hewlett-Packard/G62-107SA Notebook OS Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1 CPU Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU M 330 @ 2.13GHz Motherboard Hewlett-Packard 1425 Memory 8 GB DDR3 Graphics Card Intel(R) HD Graphics Sound Card Realtek High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays Builtin Screen Resolution 1366 x 768 x 32 bits (4294967296 colors) @ 60 Hz Mouse Microsoft Bluetooth Notebook Mouse 5000 Hard Drives 250 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive 7200 rpm
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01 Dec 2011
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| | Win7 Pro 32-bit, Win7 Home 32-bit 1,002 posts |
To answer the previous question -- YES, I'm sure it was Macrium Reflect. The product is known as RoboRestore. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom OS Win7 Pro 32-bit, Win7 Home 32-bit CPU AMD 4400/Intel 915 Motherboard ASUS/Intel Memory 2GB DDR 400 Graphics Card ATI X1600/Builtin Intel 915 Sound Card Bluegear B-Enspirer/Builtin sound Monitor(s) Displays Samsung 24" widescreen Screen Resolution 1920x1200/1024 x 768 Which is Best Image or Clone problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:05 PM. | |