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Windows 7: System Image backup fails - not enough space for Volume Shadow Copy

02 May 2012   #21
Kaktussoft

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by highstream View Post
Oh, so that's what the Sys Reserved is. No, Unlocker comes in handy now and again.
system reserved is used for bitlocker not unlocker!


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02 May 2012   #22
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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by highstream View Post
I wasn't thinking of removing System Reserved, figuring that it is necessary. But I notice on C drive there is that with 100mb, plus two other unallocated partitions with 128kb and 1mb that I don't know what to make of. Can't recall seeing them on my previous Win 7 SSD.

Merge J & O into O, to make more room for backup images. Actually, I've got J down to a basic logical partition, but the partition manager has it grayed out for merging and there's another partition to the left between it and O that prevents expanding O directly. I guess the solution is to combine partitions to the left and then resize and combine to the right.
You can add the unused space to the partition before or after that unused space.

These disks are not SSD, is it? also not "Advanced Format" disks?
http://www.sevenforums.com/software/...ml#post1777508
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02 May 2012   #23
highstream

Win 7 Home Premium and Win XP/SP3 Home 32 bit (desktop); Win 7 x64 Home Premium (laptop)
 
 

After the first time, I tried changing it to a logical partition, but no difference. Windows Startup repair didn't solve it. Had to use the backup image. One guess is that after making changes to the partition, I needed to reestablish or fix the boot record. Can't (or didn't see how to) do that with EaseUs, but that's where Partition Wizard would have come in handy. I'm not clear why changes to another HDD, even disconnected, would hangup the system drive, but it did. The two drives or partitions in question were the XP drive and the XP clone for previous builds of this computer, first when it was an XP system, then a dual boot (used easy BCD). I had just recently changed mobo/cpu from AMD to Intel and switched to Win 7 only.

The C (and D) partitions are SSD, the others HDDs. I was able to get rid of the small unallocated chunks on all the drives but the SSD - or maybe even there, not sure. I used EaseUs to bring a 0.2mb section at the far right into the adjoining partition and it no longer shows in that app, but with Partition Wizard it still shows as there. Doing the same operation with PW appears to work until the result, which still shows the 0.2mb unallocated partition.
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02 May 2012   #24
Kaktussoft

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Did you create C and "system reserved" by installing windows? Or by cloning? Did you create D within win7?
P is not for paging anymore.... see disk management.

Simply delete J was possible... at least I don't understand why not. Can you remember error message? Please tell me what error you got. "non system disk", "missing bootmgr" or.... ?
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02 May 2012   #25
highstream

Win 7 Home Premium and Win XP/SP3 Home 32 bit (desktop); Win 7 x64 Home Premium (laptop)
 
 

I don't believe that there was ever a specific error message. After "Loading Operating System," Windows would flash back to computer reboot, then the second time give the couldn't-start-needs-repair message, with System Repair or Start Windows as the choices. Sys Repair would run for awhile, be unable to fix the problem and so I chose Advanced Repair and then image restore.

P not paging (now L)? Not sure what you mean because it's right there in Disk Mgt.

In setting up after installing the new mobo/cpu, I tried transferring Win 7 - there's a tutorial how at this site - but finally had to bite the bullet and go clean, and just happened to have a new SSD to use for it. In the process, the XP drive got messed up, so I used the clone to restore it. That's why two drives were named the same. However, I clean installed Win 7 on the new SSD without the other drives attached for quite awhile, and when I hooked XP clone, it never came up as a dual boot choice.
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02 May 2012   #26
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi there
Not trying to hi-jack the thread but Windows 7 image backup really isn't that great -- the whole Volume shadowing idea when running a backup is just a load of Dog ....

For backup use a commercial backup program --they don't cost a fortune, are usually very flexible and the amount of time you save MORE than makes up for the relatively small cost of the program --usually around 40 USD.

You might even find some free versions but they tend to have limited capability.

BTW on restore whatever program you use ensure the BOOT partition is set to ACTIVE. This might be the small reserved system partition if this was created when you installed windows. If you have this partition then also ensure that the main Windows partition ("C") on restore is set to a PRIMARY partition.

If you are using GPT disks then other considerations apply -- haven't had any experience of these yet for using as a boot partition).


Cheers
jimbo
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02 May 2012   #27
highstream

Win 7 Home Premium and Win XP/SP3 Home 32 bit (desktop); Win 7 x64 Home Premium (laptop)
 
 

Windows recovery can restore one of its own image backups, but I found with EaseUS's free version that their image couldn't be restored if Windows wasn't booting, at least not without a recovery CD made with their program, I assume Windows' image has worked three times for me in the past few days, which is hard to argue with. Perhaps in other circumstances it wouldn't?
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02 May 2012   #28
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

The thread is getting a bit confusing.
If Disk 0 was in the state shown in your first screenshot (ie system reserved active) then if you had boot problems you should have disconnected all drives except 0 and run startup repair on a system repair disk up to 3 times. Restart after each repair.
This should fix up your boot files.
If retaining system reserved then it is best to resize it to ~200MB.
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02 May 2012   #29
highstream

Win 7 Home Premium and Win XP/SP3 Home 32 bit (desktop); Win 7 x64 Home Premium (laptop)
 
 

The original problem is solved and the discussion turned to what might have led to it. Looking at that first screenshot again, wouldn't have switching Active from the Reserved partition to C solved the problem? I resized the Reserved partition to 300mb and just set C as Active.
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02 May 2012   #30
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by highstream View Post
Looking at that first screenshot again, wouldn't have switching Active from the Reserved partition to C solved the problem? I resized the Reserved partition to 300mb and just set C as Active.
Yes if that was the way you wanted to go. You now say C is active. Therefore, System Reserved has no function any more. The BIOS goes to the active partition where the Boot Sector, Boot manager and BCD should reside.
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