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Windows 7: System Image backup fails - not enough space for Volume Shadow Copy

02 May 2012   #31
highstream

Win 7 Home Premium and Win XP/SP3 Home 32 bit (desktop); Win 7 x64 Home Premium (laptop)
 
 

What are thinking with "the way you wanted to go?" After the post that raised the subject, I did a search and found some advice at THPC: How to mark, set, make a partition / drive Active in Windows 7, Vista, XP, Linux, NT, Me, 98SE, 98, 95. As I read it, specifically the paragrah beginning at "Just setting," with the system files on C, it should be the active partition. What are the implications of choosing either way?

Follow up: I just found out: can't find Master Boot Record. Glad I made a Partition Wizard boot disk.


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02 May 2012   #32
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

This description of the boot process may be useful:
reflect updates
Many people decide to do away with the system reserved which is what I was referring to by "the way you want to go". In my opinion a separate System Reserved facilitates:
1) Clean multibooting
2) BitLocker encryption
3) F8 - start windows in safe mode

and I keep it.
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02 May 2012   #33
highstream

Win 7 Home Premium and Win XP/SP3 Home 32 bit (desktop); Win 7 x64 Home Premium (laptop)
 
 

Sounds like good reasons to me. Thanks!
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03 May 2012   #34
Kaktussoft

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by highstream View Post
I don't believe that there was ever a specific error message. After "Loading Operating System," Windows would flash back to computer reboot, then the second time give the couldn't-start-needs-repair message, with System Repair or Start Windows as the choices. Sys Repair would run for awhile, be unable to fix the problem and so I chose Advanced Repair and then image restore.

P not paging (now L)? Not sure what you mean because it's right there in Disk Mgt.

In setting up after installing the new mobo/cpu, I tried transferring Win 7 - there's a tutorial how at this site - but finally had to bite the bullet and go clean, and just happened to have a new SSD to use for it. In the process, the XP drive got messed up, so I used the clone to restore it. That's why two drives were named the same. However, I clean installed Win 7 on the new SSD without the other drives attached for quite awhile, and when I hooked XP clone, it never came up as a dual boot choice.
So "Loading Operating System" and then a BSOD (which you didn't see because automatic restart on crash is on). MBR and bootsector wasn't the problem. I don't know the BSOD message so I don't know.

P is labeld page file but doesn't have a page file, that's what i wanna say.

So you did a clean install on SSD... so partitions are aligned properly.

All is working fine now?
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03 May 2012   #35
highstream

Win 7 Home Premium and Win XP/SP3 Home 32 bit (desktop); Win 7 x64 Home Premium (laptop)
 
 

There is a pagefile.sys in L (formerly P) with 6gb. Is it not really one?

I did the clean install early last week. Here's how the partitions look now. Very grateful for your patient help.

System Image backup fails - not enough space for Volume Shadow Copy-disk-partition-window-5-3-12.jpg


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03 May 2012   #36
Kaktussoft

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mjf View Post
This description of the boot process may be useful:
reflect updates
Many people decide to do away with the system reserved which is what I was referring to by "the way you want to go". In my opinion a separate System Reserved facilitates:
1) Clean multibooting
2) BitLocker encryption
3) F8 - start windows in safe mode

and I keep it.
3) F8 - start windows in safe mode => this has nothing to do with "system reserved" boot partition
1) Clean multibooting => boot partition must be an primary and active partition. OS partitions can be logical and inactive. So if you make your OS partition primary and active and put the bootmgr and bcd-menu (bootmenu) on it. It's working fine. But you can't simply delete that partition because it has the multiboot menu as well on it.

So seperating both tasks has some advantages.

2) BitLocker encryption => totally right.

Leave it the way it's now!
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03 May 2012   #37
Kaktussoft

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by highstream View Post
There is a pagefile.sys in L (formerly P) with 6gb. Is it not really one?

I did the clean install early last week. Here's how the partitions look now. Very grateful for your patient help.

Attachment 209953
You posted this before http://www.sevenforums.com/attachmen...dow-5-1-12.jpg

No page file in that screenshot on P (it's on C)

Check this:
To change page file settings in Windows 7:
In the Start Menu search box, type "Advanced System Settings" and choose the Control Panel applet that should show up, "View advanced system settings"
Under "Advanced" tab, "Performance" section, click "Settings..."
Under "Advanced" tab, "Virtual Memory" section, click "Change..."
These are the actual settings. Uncheck "Automatically manage paging file size for all drives" and you can change these settings. Highlight the drive you want it on, and select either a fixed size or system managed size (I prefer system managed size), and then click "Set". YOU HAVE TO CLICK THE SET BUTTON. Do the same to remove it from the drive you don't want it on. ("No paging file".)
Click OK, OK, OK, and you should be prompted for a reboot.

Settings were right?
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03 May 2012   #38
highstream

Win 7 Home Premium and Win XP/SP3 Home 32 bit (desktop); Win 7 x64 Home Premium (laptop)
 
 

When I said pagefile on P (now L), I meant where the pagefile.sys was being placed. So yes, C is generating the page file. I unchecked auto, but I think P/L is where it automatically put it, unless I'm forgetting something. I did play around with pagefile settings at some point after installing Win 7 last week, as I recall. Any reason to change where the file is going? Here's what it looks like (C is system managed):

System Image backup fails - not enough space for Volume Shadow Copy-disk-partition-pagefile-5-3-12.jpg


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03 May 2012   #39
Kaktussoft

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Delete L:\pagefile.sys . It isn't used now!
since you have 6GB of memory, the pagefile isn't used frequently. Most of it's use is for read operations anyway. SSD life span will shorten in case of writes. But not that terribly nowadays. Put it on SSD only for speed!
Win7 on SSD: should I move page file?

Tip: Disable SSD partitions in your automatically defragmentation scheme. Defragmentatition is only usefull for HDD's! Defragmentation does a lot of write operations.
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03 May 2012   #40
mart44

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
^ I have experienced this issue before. For me, it was because my hidden "System Reserved" partition dropped to less than 50MB free. This volume seems to change automagically within Windows and when I tried to run the backup, and it was less than 50MB, I would get this error. Once it cleared space on it's own, the system backup would work again.
I've had the imaging procedure fail for this reason. The partition needs to be about 70% free for imaging to work. If it isn't, the error message arises. The space not being enough usually happens after a major upgrade on the the security suite.

I've never found a definite cure for this but find that after a few reboots (sometimes more) and a bit of grumbling, the problem just goes away on its own.
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