| Windows 7: Why varying times for a Backup? |
19 May 2012
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#1 | | Windows 7 Professional x64 (Desktop) Home Premium x64 (Laptop) Perth, Western Australia |
Why varying times for a Backup? I have an i7 870 processor on a GA-P55A-UD7 motherboard running Win 7 64bit.
I backup (system image) about once a week to two different drives, both internal drives. I have an SSD for a system drive.
Generally my system images take 4 minutes. Every now and then they may take 7, 9 or 11 minutes.
Take this morning, I imaged to F: and it took 4 minutes. Immediately after this I imaged to G: and it took 7 minutes. F: and G: are identical 750Gb WD drives on same SATA interfaces. Another day it will take 9 minutes and 4 minutes.
Nothing else is running, no Skype, no browsers, nothing apart from internal Windows functions.
I would have thought, two images one after the other should take the approximately the same time each?
More often than not, it will take 4 minutes but why, every now and then, maybe on the same session, does the odd one take twice as long, sometimes 3 times as long?
It is really bugging me | My System Specs |
| System Manufacturer/Model Number self built (Desktop) HP dv6 (Laptop) OS Windows 7 Professional x64 (Desktop) Home Premium x64 (Laptop) CPU i7 870 (Desktop) i7 2630QM (Laptop) Motherboard GA-P55A-UD7 Memory 8Gb 2000 (Desktop) 8Gb 1333 (Laptop) Graphics Card ATI HD5770 Sound Card On Board Monitor(s) Displays Kogan 32" LED LCD TV Screen Resolution 1920 X 1080 (Desktop) 1366 X 768 (Laptop) Keyboard Logitech Cordless Desktop MX 5500 Revolution Mouse MX Revolution PSU Antec 750 True Power Case Antec Dark Fleet DF-85 Cooling Hybrid Silent Pipe Hard Drives 2X3Tb, 4X2Tb, 4X1.5Tb, 2X750Gb and 640Gb, 1Tb plus 1.5Tb portable externals :) Internet Speed ADSL2+ |
19 May 2012
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#2 | | Win 7 Pro 64-bit South Central Texas |
The first image may have created temporary files. If you do the 2nd image without removing the temp files created by the first, they will also get imaged adding to the image time. | My System Specs | | Computer type Laptop System Manufacturer/Model Number Sony Vaio VPCEB47GM Laptop OS Win 7 Pro 64-bit CPU Intel i5 2.4 Ghz Memory 8GB DDR3 Graphics Card Intel HD 3000 Sound Card IDT High Definition Monitor(s) Displays 15.6 WGXA Anti-Glare LED Screen Resolution 1280x800 Hard Drives 640Gb 7200rpm Antivirus MSE Browser Opera (primary) with IE9 backup |
20 May 2012
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#3 | | Windows 7 Professional x64 (Desktop) Home Premium x64 (Laptop) Perth, Western Australia |
I NEVER remove ANY workfiles between images. Never have, never will
Plus I ALWAYS log the run time and size of the main image files and they were both 30.5Gb so I'm afraid your suggestion isn't the answer
Also plus I have, many times, done two 4 minute images one after the other.... | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number self built (Desktop) HP dv6 (Laptop) OS Windows 7 Professional x64 (Desktop) Home Premium x64 (Laptop) CPU i7 870 (Desktop) i7 2630QM (Laptop) Motherboard GA-P55A-UD7 Memory 8Gb 2000 (Desktop) 8Gb 1333 (Laptop) Graphics Card ATI HD5770 Sound Card On Board Monitor(s) Displays Kogan 32" LED LCD TV Screen Resolution 1920 X 1080 (Desktop) 1366 X 768 (Laptop) Keyboard Logitech Cordless Desktop MX 5500 Revolution Mouse MX Revolution PSU Antec 750 True Power Case Antec Dark Fleet DF-85 Cooling Hybrid Silent Pipe Hard Drives 2X3Tb, 4X2Tb, 4X1.5Tb, 2X750Gb and 640Gb, 1Tb plus 1.5Tb portable externals :) Internet Speed ADSL2+ |
20 May 2012
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Quote: Originally Posted by louwin I NEVER remove ANY workfiles between images. Never have, never will
Plus I ALWAYS log the run time and size of the main image files and they were both 30.5Gb so I'm afraid your suggestion isn't the answer
Also plus I have, many times, done two 4 minute images one after the other.... The OS is doing something in the background.
No idea what, but you might try looking at task manager processes or similar to find out.
Time the fast one for approx gb per minute, then when you see the second lagging behind that pace, investigate processes.
Of course it might be one of the the imaging processes itself causing the lag.
Who knows what Win 7 imaging is up to? In my view its incremental approach is much too complex.
For example, taking that first image changes all the various info Win is keeping to
stay current with the imaging. Then taking a second image changes that again.
No idea what kind of indexing/houskeeping is taking place, or at what frequency.
That's really the nature of "hot" imaging, and the main reason I always do cold imaging/restoring.
I've used both the Win 7 imaging and Ghost 15 to make consecutive backups to identical drives, as you do, and they are always within a few seconds of each other in time consumed.
Difference is I only image cold. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU QuadCore Intel Core i7 920, 2666 MHz (20 x 133) Motherboard Asus P6T Memory 6134 MB (DDR3-1333 DDR3 SDRAM) Graphics Card (2 - SLI) NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 (1024 MB) Sound Card Onboard Realtek ALC888/1200 @ Intel 82801JB IC Monitor(s) Displays HDMII Screen Resolution 1280 x 800 PSU Corsair 550 Case iStarUSA S-10000BL Black Hard Drives Crucial M4 (64 GB SSD)
WD Caviar Blacks
WD5001AALS-00J7B1 ATA Device (465 GB)
WD5001AALS-00J7B1 ATA Device (465 GB)
WD5001AALS-00L3B2 ATA Device (465 GB)
WD Elements USB External (250 GB) |
20 May 2012
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#5 | | Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 Florida in winter, Black Forest/Germany |
My guess would be that there is contention from disk activity. Whilst you are imaging, look at the Resource Manager > Disk tab and see whether you can determine any major differences from run to run. If you see processes that create a lot of disk activity and are not directly related to the imaging activity, note the names of those processes. Then we'll go from there. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops OS Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 CPU from 1.6GHz Duo to i7 Monitor(s) Displays 2x HP w2207 Keyboard with trackball - no mices Mouse Trackball mice Hard Drives 5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals Internet Speed DSL 6000 |
20 May 2012
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#6 | | Windows 7 Professional x64 (Desktop) Home Premium x64 (Laptop) Perth, Western Australia |
How do you "cold image" with Backup & Restore? I used to backup from DOS with old old Ghost but not for a long time. I use B & R as it gets the "offset" correct when I restore my SSD.
I don't know if this is still an issue but when SSDs first came out most programs had a problem restoring SSDs which is why I stick to B & R
I only do consecutive images not concurrent.
Just out of curiousity I reversed the sequence this morning. As usual NOTHING except Windows internal functions running. G:, first this time, still took 7 minutes and F:, second this time, still took 4 minutes.
Did I make it clear that F: and G: are identical drives with identical contents? I already have 3 RAID 0 mirrors so I manually synchronize F: and G: | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number self built (Desktop) HP dv6 (Laptop) OS Windows 7 Professional x64 (Desktop) Home Premium x64 (Laptop) CPU i7 870 (Desktop) i7 2630QM (Laptop) Motherboard GA-P55A-UD7 Memory 8Gb 2000 (Desktop) 8Gb 1333 (Laptop) Graphics Card ATI HD5770 Sound Card On Board Monitor(s) Displays Kogan 32" LED LCD TV Screen Resolution 1920 X 1080 (Desktop) 1366 X 768 (Laptop) Keyboard Logitech Cordless Desktop MX 5500 Revolution Mouse MX Revolution PSU Antec 750 True Power Case Antec Dark Fleet DF-85 Cooling Hybrid Silent Pipe Hard Drives 2X3Tb, 4X2Tb, 4X1.5Tb, 2X750Gb and 640Gb, 1Tb plus 1.5Tb portable externals :) Internet Speed ADSL2+ |
20 May 2012
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Quote: Originally Posted by louwin How do you "cold image" with Backup & Restore? I used to backup from DOS with old old Ghost but not for a long time. I use B & R as it gets the "offset" correct when I restore my SSD.
I don't know if this is still an issue but when SSDs first came out most programs had a problem restoring SSDs which is why I stick to B & R
I only do consecutive images not concurrent.
Just out of curiousity I reversed the sequence this morning. As usual NOTHING except Windows internal functions running. G:, first this time, still took 7 minutes and F:, second this time, still took 4 minutes.
Did I make it clear that F: and G: are identical drives with identical contents? I already have 3 RAID 0 mirrors so I manually synchronize F: and G:  It was all clear, except for RAID, and now you've identified that it's one drive taking longer, no matter the sequence. I know nothing about raid, and how that might
interreact with B & R.
To do it cold, create a system repair disc. It's an option on the B &R screen.
I don't know anything else. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU QuadCore Intel Core i7 920, 2666 MHz (20 x 133) Motherboard Asus P6T Memory 6134 MB (DDR3-1333 DDR3 SDRAM) Graphics Card (2 - SLI) NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 (1024 MB) Sound Card Onboard Realtek ALC888/1200 @ Intel 82801JB IC Monitor(s) Displays HDMII Screen Resolution 1280 x 800 PSU Corsair 550 Case iStarUSA S-10000BL Black Hard Drives Crucial M4 (64 GB SSD)
WD Caviar Blacks
WD5001AALS-00J7B1 ATA Device (465 GB)
WD5001AALS-00J7B1 ATA Device (465 GB)
WD5001AALS-00L3B2 ATA Device (465 GB)
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