| Windows 7: 1 SSD VS 2 HDD Raid0(+backup) |
01 Sep 2009
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Good SSD for the money Hi all. (Changed thread title)
i want to buy a SSD (around 85-120) for JUST the OS and programs. Pagefile and everything else on the 1TBs., and keep the raid-1 for movies/games/ISO`s/ECT.
The SSD im looking at: This
Anyone have one of these w/ some numbers? SUPER TALENT UltraDrive ME FTM32GX25H 2.5" 32GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid state disk (SSD) - Retail - Sequential Access - Read: Up to 230MB/sec
- Sequential Access - Write: Up to 160MB/sec
What do you guys think about that SSD? I read it even has a firmware for windows 7 to increase speeds. Anyone with numbers for that drive? 
Budget: $130
Last edited by ussj4brolli; 01 Sep 2009 at 06:34 AM..
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01 Sep 2009
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#2 | | Windows 8 Pro Standish, Lancashire, England |
Honestly - my system has all sorts of freezes an stutters since putting my OS on the SSD, I'm going back to a real hard drive as soon as I get chance to reload. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number doofenshmirtz evil incorporated OS Windows 8 Pro CPU Intel Core i7-3970X Extreme Edition Motherboard ASRock X79 EXTREME11 Memory 32GB (8x4GB) Corsair DDR3 Dominator Platinum Graphics Card 2x 3GB EVGA GTX 660 Ti Superclocked+ Sound Card Creative Monitor(s) Displays 3 x27" Dell & 2 x 23" Dell Screen Resolution 3 @ 2560x1440 & 2 @ 1920x1080 Keyboard Microsoft Ergononic 7000 Mouse Logitech Performance MX PSU 1500W ThermalTake Toughpower Case Thermaltake Level 10 GT Cooling Antec Kúhler H2O 620 CPU Watercooler Hard Drives 240GB Intel 520 Series, 2.5" SSD, SATA III
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01 Sep 2009
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Quote: Originally Posted by z3r010 Honestly - my system has all sorts of freezes an stutters since putting my OS on the SSD, I'm going back to a real hard drive as soon as I get chance to reload. I read alot about those issues. I read that it was either caused by the pagefile being on the same hdd, or the FW needs to be updated to fix this. That ssd has some kind of program to clean up itself in idle too.
What ssd do you have? everything the latest and greatest fw wise?  ( | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 PRO x64 CPU Phenom II 1090T @ 4.00GHz Motherboard Crosshair IV Formula Memory 8gb DDR3 Graphics Card 1x ATI Diamond 5850 Monitor(s) Displays 50in HDTV (HDMI) Screen Resolution 1080P PSU 1000w Xion Case Armor+ VH6000BWS Cooling W/C Hard Drives 2x 1TB barracuda
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01 Sep 2009
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i would save up and wait until they improve.
there is still a problem with a lot of the cheaper ssds as they slow down a lot as time goes by. here's a good meaty techy article from anandtech. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number mickey megabyte 1234 OS ultimate 64 sp1 CPU i5 2500K 3.3@4.2GHz Motherboard MSI P67A-GD53 Memory 8 gigs GSkill Ripjaws 1600 Graphics Card amd hd6950 Sound Card creative x-fi gamer Monitor(s) Displays samsung 24" Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard saitek eclipse ii Mouse logitech g3 PSU antec 550 Case antec three hundred Cooling i'm a cooling fan Hard Drives ocz vertex 2e 60 gig, samsung f3 1tb, buffalo 2tb ext Internet Speed about 4 Mbps Other Info i love win7 |
01 Sep 2009
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Admin:
For your SSD specifically: So how can we eliminate the pausing and stuttering? This was actually quite easily solved, but at a price. A hardware RAID card with onboard cache is required. These are fairly pricey. They start at around £100 for a PCIe x1 card with 128MB of onboard cache and a Marvell 400MHz ROC (raid on a chip). Don’t be fooled into thinking you can fit a cheap so called RAID card. They simple won’t solve the pausing and stuttering problem and the motherboards onboard SATA/RAID ports are simply not fast enough.
A PCIe x1 card is fine for a single SSD drive. If you want to add a second SSD and intend to have them setup in RAID 0 (stripped) then a PCIe x1 card won’t be fast enough. Remember a PCIe x1 lane has only 250MB/s bandwidth, without considering overheads.
What is really needed to allow a couple of fast SSD drives to breath and break free is a hardware RAID card with onboard cache and, using a PCIe x4 or x8 interface. With a fast ROC (raid on a chip) and 128MB of onboard cache and all importantly, using a PCIe x4 or x8 interface, you should have a around 1GB/s bandwidth on a x4 PCIe card and around 2GB/s bandwidth on a x8 PCIe card. OCZ Core V2 SSD drives in RAID = AWESOME - Club CDFreaks / MyCE - Knowledge is Power
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01 Sep 2009
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From everything that I have read as well, stick to a standard hard drive for your operating systems. Trying to use SSD's just results in stuttering, even with the new firmwares and controllers and 128MB of Cache.
The guys here who are running SSD (to rich for my blood yet), tend to use them mostly for installing critical applications and games onto. And most of them seem to run 2-4 of the SSD's in a RAID0 array for these critical apps and games to get best results. For everything else, they are still sticking with standard hard drives it seems. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self-Built in July 2009 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS Memory 8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings Graphics Card EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570 Sound Card Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio Monitor(s) Displays 23" Acer x233H Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard ABS M1 Mechanical Mouse Logitech G9 Laser Mouse PSU Corsair 620HX modular Case Antec P182 Cooling stock Hard Drives Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
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01 Sep 2009
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#7 | | Windows 7 x64 Ultimate San Diego |
I've had no "stuttering" with my X-25M, been using it for several weeks now.
I had one serious problem (complete OS freezes requiring reboot) because of a bug in Windows 7 (Been there since Vista! And MS knew about it!) which required turning off Native Command Queing for the SATA driver. (Rumor is there is a Windows 7 hotfix for it but not available yet)
After turning that off, no more system freezes and it is lightning fast, almost unbelievable. Photoshop opens in 1.5 seconds! Anyone that uses potoshop regularly will realize how spectacular that is
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01 Sep 2009
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#8 | | |
no stutters here either on an ocz vertex
really fast bootup time, and apps open almost instantly (as posted above photoshop opens rly quick too)
if you want an ssd tho, get a crucial m225 drive...
same indilinx barefoot controller as vertex and co, 64mb cache, & similar performance. but an extra 2 yrs on the warranty (5yr) and lower price (and also firmware upgradeable) | My System Specs | | |
01 Sep 2009
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#9 | | Windows 7 Professional x64 |
 cos those are the best and 2nd best SSDs around, thats why.
Vertexes and XM25s will perform very good, and beat the living hell out of HDDs, but they cost alot, intel xm-25 80 gigs costs here around 200 euros.
I got 2x500gb WDs in raid0 and Atto disk benchmark gives lowest value (default settings) @ 0.5 around 50k write and 50k read, steadily increasing to 140k @ 2.0 and then rest of the test it varies around 150k and 160k both read and write (write mostly slight ahead).
I tested my samsung spinpoint f1 without raid and it gave maximum value of around 80-90k so i pretty much doubled my results by putting similiar disks to raid0, and small file transfer rate went up by giving stripe size 64k instead of 128k (lower for faster transfer rate and increase for big file transfers). 
My intention was to give short judgement on raid 0 but it turned out to be "how raid 0 pwns".
but yeah you heard me, raid 0 is very nice but SSD will give advantage as it has no seek time and file sizes wont affect it's performance.
Oh, and if you want to benchmark your hard drives, atto disk benchmark can be found here: http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads...ark_v2.34.html
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01 Sep 2009
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#10 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by Nikkeli  cos those are the best and 2nd best SSDs around, thats why.
Vertexes and XM25s will perform very good, and beat the living hell out of HDDs, but they cost alot, intel xm-25 80 gigs costs here around 200 euros.
I got 2x500gb WDs in raid0 and Atto disk benchmark gives lowest value (default settings) @ 0.5 around 50k write and 50k read, steadily increasing to 140k @ 2.0 and then rest of the test it varies around 150k and 160k both read and write (write mostly slight ahead).
I tested my samsung spinpoint f1 without raid and it gave maximum value of around 80-90k so i pretty much doubled my results by putting similiar disks to raid0, and small file transfer rate went up by giving stripe size 64k instead of 128k (lower for faster transfer rate and increase for big file transfers). 
My intention was to give short judgement on raid 0 but it turned out to be "how raid 0 pwns".
but yeah you heard me, raid 0 is very nice but SSD will give advantage as it has no seek time and file sizes wont affect it's performance.
Oh, and if you want to benchmark your hard drives, atto disk benchmark can be found here: techPowerUp! :: Download ATTO Disk Benchmark v2.34
or google it. PC Connection - 30GB Vertex Series SATA 3Gb s 2.5" Internal Solid State Drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227393
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