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Windows 7: Windows Backup vs 3rd party Backup solution.

12 Sep 2009   #11

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

Surprising how many have never heard of making a system image .

It's going to be a help to those who previously were unaware - at least they will probably let it do it's thing.

I would rather use a 3rd party app. that allows me to choose which partition (s) to image and restore - with decent compression levels - and that I know is reliable.


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12 Sep 2009   #12

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 x2 + x86 + Windows 8.1 x64 x2
 
 

One thing to add of course is that the restore from a previous complete image is one of the repair options available on the windows 7 install disk which may prove invaluable in the event of a total hardware failure
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12 Sep 2009   #13

XP Pro sp3, Windows 7 Ultimate X64, Ubuntu 12.04 X64
 
 

DrWho,
Care to share your batch file?
Thank you..........
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12 Sep 2009   #14

Windows 7
 
 

Ghost is an excellent tool that I use daily but I have never found it to be a good backup option. The down side is if you have a lot of data you will be without you computer for hours while it is booted into DOS running ghost.

I have always prefered the fresh install and restore data route. Don't get me wrong an image of your fresh install is a great idea but an image of a system that has been up and running for months ... not so much.

Robocopy works great for daily data backups. Type robocopy /? at a command prompt for details. Here part of the batch file I use to run robocopy.

robocopy C:\Users\user E:\backup\user /MIR /E /B /R:0 /XJ
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12 Sep 2009   #15

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 (Retail)
 
 

I made a back up of C: to an external hard drive using the native Windows 7 back up app and then when I tried to restore the image from booting with the install "disk", although it could "see" the backup, it failed to restore. It may have been a driver issue. I just don't know.

So I went back to my usual method of backing up my laptop which involves making weekly clones of my laptops internal hard drive to an identical laptop hard drive using Acronis TIH 2009. In addition, I also use Acronis to make compressed image backups (.TIB files) every other day to an external USB drive. I have found being able to use Acronis to easily browse those files to come in very handy on occasion.

So in the event of total disaster, I can simply swap out my internal laptop drive with one of my recent clones which takes just a minute or two and I'm up and running as if almost nothing happened. And then I can update as necessary from the more recent .TIB compressed backup. Or I could just restore entirely from the .TIB backup, however, I don't like to rely on this because I have heard people occasionally have problems when trying to restore from those compressed image backups. That's why I only really feel safe with my clones.

I see no reason why a clone of perfectly running system with all installed programs and settings is somehow inferior. If it was good enough to be running in the first place, it is good enough to make and use a cloned back up of it.

Anyway, having good backups of my full system has saved me many times over the years. I couldn't imagine running without a good backup system, whatever one's particular method(s) of choice might be.
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13 Sep 2009   #16

Windows XP-Pro-SP3, Windows 7
 
 

Keeping your C: drive clean of junk is the first step in a really good backup routine.

I can still get my entire C: drive backed up to a single DVD, with Ghost 2003, using it's HIGH Compression mode. Takes about 15 to 20 minutes to burn that DVD.
If I backup to a second internal HD, using FAST compression, it only takes about six minutes.

I can run "Ghost Explorer" on any Ghost Backup Image file that I've made over the past ten years and extract any file or folder from that image file. So in effect, I still have every file that I've saved in the past ten years, even though, they are no longer saved on my HD.

I'm still curious...... using MS's backup routine, from Windows 7, how will you do a full recovery if the C: drive completely crashes? How will you boot the PC to run a restore routine?..... and where will you get the backup Image File to restore?
OH, and can you extract a single file out of the backup Image File?

Just curious!

Doc B)
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14 Sep 2009   #17

Windows 7 Ultimate
 
 

Dr Who.. I too have used acronis and ghost to image a partition from outside the OS, and have found this to be very useful. The problem with doing it this way, is it is not practical for the avg Joe Shmow computer user, and also cannot be setup remotely, which is how I try to work on things as much as possible.

To this end, the Windows 7 backup, which allows you to actually backup your OS load from within the OS, is extremely appealing..

My questions though, I am still hoping to get answered.. Can you A) write backups in a non-compressed format, such that you can access those files that were backed up from another computer via explorer. and B) is it possible to append a previous backup.. ie write only changes to the previous backup that have occurred since the last backup job completed..??
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14 Sep 2009   #18
Microsoft MVP

64-bit Windows 8.1 Enterprise
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by musiclover7 View Post
Dr Who.. I too have used acronis and ghost to image a partition from outside the OS, and have found this to be very useful. The problem with doing it this way, is it is not practical for the avg Joe Shmow computer user, and also cannot be setup remotely, which is how I try to work on things as much as possible.

To this end, the Windows 7 backup, which allows you to actually backup your OS load from within the OS, is extremely appealing..

My questions though, I am still hoping to get answered.. Can you A) write backups in a non-compressed format, such that you can access those files that were backed up from another computer via explorer. and B) is it possible to append a previous backup.. ie write only changes to the previous backup that have occurred since the last backup job completed..??
Hello Musiclover,

After you create a system image in Windows 7, you can then use the tutorial below to mount the system image to extract specific files from.

System Image - Extract Files Using Disk Management

All backups in Windows 7 are incremental to only save the changes that were made since the last backup.

Hope this helps,
Shawn
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14 Sep 2009   #19

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

DR Who,

Quote:
I'm still curious...... using MS's backup routine, from Windows 7, how will you do a full recovery if the C: drive completely crashes? How will you boot the PC to run a restore routine?..... and where will you get the backup Image File to restore?
Booting the 7 dvd /recovery disc to system recovery options - reveals that one of the options is to restore a system image.

I would still rather use use a 3rd party tool - for the extra flexibility and compression levels available. Some apps. allow restoring the image to different hardware.
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14 Sep 2009   #20

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by harpua View Post
Anyway, having good backups of my full system has saved me many times over the years. I couldn't imagine running without a good backup system, whatever one's particular method(s) of choice might be.
Agreed


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by musiclover7 View Post
My questions though, I am still hoping to get answered.. Can you A) write backups in a non-compressed format, such that you can access those files that were backed up from another computer via explorer. and B) is it possible to append a previous backup.. ie write only changes to the previous backup that have occurred since the last backup job completed..??
musiclover7 - Not that I am trying to push the Robocopy thing... I first learned of robocopy here at the sevenforums so can't really take credit. I have spent some time since learning of its wonders figuring out how to use it though.

Robocopy does exactly what you are looking for. The files in the backup are and exact mirror of the original location. No compression or special format or file extension. A .jpg is a .jpg. a .doc is a .doc nothing changes and all are readable as the originals from any computer. After the inital backup robocopy only makes changes (mirror) you delete a file robo deletes it from the backup. You add 50 pictures from your camera robo adds 50 pictures to your backup. Mirror copy.

My backup is around 185 gigs with over 36,000 pictures and 9000 music files between 3 users and 2 computers ... after the original copy to the backup location nightly backup complete in less than 2 minutes. Robocopy checks and adds or deletes files and folders as required to keep the original and backup locations the same. I even sync a second external hard drive with the first about once a month and throw it in the trunk of the car. Offsite backup LOL
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