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Windows 7: Cloned install boot issues

16 Aug 2012   #11
Kaktussoft

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Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bits 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

If you boot to win7 HDD ... what is drive letter of SSD partition with WIN7? I assume no drive letter at all(?) How I know... because you said "the default one boots of \device\harddisk\volume3\windows". Assign it a drive letter Q.

then in elevated command prompt:
Code:
reg  query  hklm\system\mounteddevices  /f  dosdevices\Q:
post output please (do it copy/paste I need exact output)


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16 Aug 2012   #12
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

You are not going to get out of this mess unless you do this the right way. There are obviously many different ways and I have tried most of them. The simplest I found is this:

1. On your HDD, copy the bootmgr to the C partition. Bootmgr - Move to C:\ with EasyBCD

2. Define an aligned active primary partition on the SSD. The commands are:

Diskpart
List disk
Select disk n (where n is the number that was given for your SSD in List disk)
Clean
Create partition primary align=1024
Format fs=ntfs quick
Active
Exit

3. Image the C partition from the HDD

4. Restore this image to the SSD

5. Change the BIOS boot order to boot from the SSD

No need to unplug any disks.

Here is one of my tutorials for further reference: SSD - Install and Transfer the Operating System
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16 Aug 2012   #13
Kaktussoft

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
You are not going to get out of this mess unless you do this the right way. There are obviously many different ways and I have tried most of them. The simplest I found is this:

1. On your HDD, copy the bootmgr to the C partition. Bootmgr - Move to C:\ with EasyBCD

2. Define an aligned active primary partition on the SSD. The commands are:

Diskpart
List disk
Select disk n (where n is the number that was given for your SSD in List disk)
Clean
Create partition primary align=1024
Format fs=ntfs quick
Active
Exit

3. Image the C partition from the HDD

4. Restore this image to the SSD

5. Change the BIOS boot order to boot from the SSD

No need to unplug any disks.
Not needed at all now!! Easy to fix. I'll explain later if have answer to my latest post
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16 Aug 2012   #14
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Yeah, you tell me. It can obviously be fixed, but that is going to be more messy. Why not do it right from the beginning.
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16 Aug 2012   #15
Kaktussoft

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
Yeah, you tell me. It can obviously be fixed, but that is going to be more messy. Why not do it right from the beginning.
Most image restore programs do the same trick I gonna explain later.

Clone ... is just a clone. Old C remains C. That's the only thing to be fixed!
Also the BCD need to be fixed, but he already did because win7 SSD is in boot menu. Wait till OP posts back and I tell you how

Of course doing it the right way is the best
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16 Aug 2012   #16
chrysalis

windows 7 ultimate x64
 
 

thanks guys for your time, sorry I didnt check back earlier.

The new routine I am curious if would have solved the need to remove old hdd as that would have been great but now I am up and running on the ssd.

I didnt do a sector clone, where disk sectors are copied over, I did a image backup and then restore again onto new media, I did the restore offline deliberatly using SRD rather than inside windows.

Now it seems my marvell controller caused some issues, the weird issue I reported in my post was marvell controller related which went away when the ssd was put on the intel so even tho the ssd seemed fine on the marvell when not using the OS it seems the OS was enough to bring the controller down. So now its on my intel sata2.

Now the conflict with the original hdd I came across this page.

Fixing Disk Signature Collisions - Mark's Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs

So simply remounting my old hdd forced it a new identifier which I assume removes any future conflicts.

So now I am on the ssd, 100meg partition removed (to make future images simpler), its the active system partition so not reliant on any hdd partition to boot. The only thing I want to make sure is ok now is it can boot into recovery without media as before I was using a win7 install usb stick.

So sadly guys I wont be trying what you said so sorry if your time wasted but appreciate you came here to help and I hope your valuable posts help others in this situation or maybe myself in future.

The routine I followed roughly was.

Norton ghost image backup in windows. Default settings to diff physical hdd.
Made a symantec recovery disc.
Booted the disc (and cleaned ssd partition if not unpartitioned).
Started recover my pc wizard.
On the screen where it lists partitions to recover and where to I deleted the system reserved partition and then selected edit button.
On the next screen I selected my ssd and reduced the partition to extend my provisioning as samsung reccomended (extra 10%).
I also unticked restore drive signature and made sure other 3 ticked which was mbr, active partition and check for errors after recovery.
unplugged original hdd if plugged in.
when it was finished I rebooted into win7 installl media.
This offers to fix bcd menu at first run, I found selecting yes or no here makes no diff as it works either way, if select no it wont offer again. If select yes it needs another reboot so make sure boot back into it again.
After install media loads, and chose locale then go into repair mode and load the command prompt.
I then ran bcdboot to install the bootmgr onto the ssd (as lost with system recovery partition deletion).
After this can reboot and ssd should boot.
After first boot reboot again with original hdd plugged in.

So that was a working procedure for me, this does also have the ssd aligned.

After the marvell stuff I did restore again as many files were corrupt. Ironically the ssd now benchmarks higher 50% full than when was empty. System is lightning fast.

Also windows stayed activated this time and the ssd gets 7.8 on WEI, my weakness on that now is my cpu at 7.3.

I had to use win7 install media because the bcdboot on the SRD was no good as symantec only have 32bit media and my OS is 64bit.
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16 Aug 2012   #17
Kaktussoft

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bits 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Assume your SSD WIN7 partition was called Q when booted in HHD WIN7. All in elevated command prompt

Code:
reg  query  hklm\system\mounteddevices  /f dosdevices\Q:
output:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\system\mounteddevices
\DosDevices\Q: REG_BINARY 56E29668000060461C000000
remember the number you find. You have to enter it later
The real hklm\system hive of SDD win7 is actually file Q:\windows\system32\config\system. We load it in current registry in key hklm\ssdwin7.
Code:
reg  load  hklm\ssdwin7  Q:\windows\system32\config\system
Now we can add the right value. Actually a replace
Code:
reg  add  hklm\ssdwin7\mounteddevices  /v  \DosDevices\C: /t  REG_BINARY  /d 56E29668000060461C000000
replace the red text with the number you got previously
say yes if it asks you to override!
check if it's done right
Code:
reg  query  hklm\ssdwin7\mounteddevices  /f  \DosDevices\C:
You see same numbers now?
unload the registry hive
Code:
reg  unload  hklm\ssdwin7
That was the solution. But you fixed it yourself .. great
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16 Aug 2012   #18
Kaktussoft

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bits 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote:
The only thing I want to make sure is ok now is it can boot into recovery without media as before I was using a Windows 7 install usb stick.
Is that working?
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16 Aug 2012   #19
chrysalis

windows 7 ultimate x64
 
 

not checked yet, but great solution you posted for the letter issue.

What I have just noticed is all my hidden updates unhidden and windows says never previously installed updates O_o. This may be related to me uninstalling my sp1 update backups tho in preperation for the ssd migration? as now I think about i guess that removed all update backups. I had to reaccept eula for the Malicous software removal tool also.
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17 Aug 2012   #20
Kaktussoft

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bits 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by chrysalis View Post
not checked yet, but great solution you posted for the letter issue.

What I have just noticed is all my hidden updates unhidden and windows says never previously installed updates O_o. This may be related to me uninstalling my sp1 update backups tho in preperation for the ssd migration? as now I think about i guess that removed all update backups. I had to reaccept eula for the Malicous software removal tool also.
Why did you uninstall SP1?

A potential bigger problem is the following:
  • you booted SSD-win7. But actually it was SSD-win7 registry and HDD-win7 OS partition.
  • you booted HDD-win7. But actually it was HDD-win7 registry and HDD-win7 OS partition. This is correct
So when booted to SSD-win7 it updated HDD-win7 OS partition but not the right registry!

Did you install/uninstall any software when booted in SSD-win7? Any windows updates?

If so ... install the software again on the now good configured SSD. Uninstall the latest patches and let "windows updates" check for updates.
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