| Windows 7: Cloning questions re: upgrading to SSD |
08 Sep 2012
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| | Windows 7 Pro 64 48 posts |
Cloning questions re: upgrading to SSD I have never attempted to clone a drive before, so this is a new one for me. Plus, the SSD is going to be 2x the size of the original drive. Current machine is a Windows 7 64 bit, and am going to start a new build. Haven't decided about Windows 8 yet. So, the questions are:
1. Macrium Professional seems to be able to clone to "dissimilar hardware". I assume that means it can clone a Western HD to a larger SSD with no issues. Per some threads, there are issues with Norton Ghost and Windows 7 64 bit, so is Macrium the best choice, or should I be thinking of other software?
2. Dumb question perhaps, but the new SSD, with the cloned image, should be able to be inserted into a new build, with my existing registry information, and be bootable, correct? Any software issues normally encountered while doing this?
Any known issues with Windows 7 64 bit on being transferred to new hardware/box?
I have heard I may have to do something with MS Office Pro due to the other changes in the computer that would be taking place due to the new build (motherboard, cpu, memory, etc.)
3. Particularly with Windows 8 coming out, if my existing build is with Windows 7 64 bit, can I install Windows 8 on the new SSD, and somehow restore all programs to the SSD, as opposed to a complete clone? Any advantages / disadvantages?
4. If cloning does cause issues with the software operating properly (OS or one of the software packages), I could always resort to loading a new drive with my software. While laborious, if this causes a more trouble free environment, that's what I would do. Any thoughts on this?
5. Can I retain the original drive as a backup, or should I be using imaging software at that point?
Appreciate your thoughts on this. Thx, | My System Specs |
| System Manufacturer/Model Number Self Build OS Windows 7 Pro 64 CPU i7 940 Motherboard Asus P6T Delux Memory 6 GB Graphics Card 4870 Sound Card N/A Monitor(s) Displays Samsung Keyboard MS Wireless Ergon keyboard 7000 PSU 700 Coolermax UPS Case Cooler Master Cosmos S Cooling Air Hard Drives Velociraptor + WD 1 GB data backup |
08 Sep 2012
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| | Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit 7,566 posts |
You refer to a new SSD. And later refer to "new build".
So clarify: will there be any new hardware other than the SSD?
The path of least resistance if you don't mind spending $20 is probably Paragon Migrate, which is built for the purpose.
Have you rejected imaging in favor of cloning? I ask because some use the 2 terms interchangeably, when they are actually different processes. You use the term "cloned image", which implies confusion.
If you have Win 7 on the SSD, you could put Win 8 on another partition on the same SSD, but you would have to install the Win 8 programs separately.
I'd probably do this in your shoes:
1: Decide if you want to spend $20. If so, use Paragon.
2: If you decide against spending $20, maybe make an attempt at a clone or an image--probably with Macrium Free, not paying.
3: If cloning or imaging fails on the first attempt, cut losses and do a clean install rather than troubleshoot for hours.
Many would tell you to do a clean install as step 1 regardless, to avoid any doubt or troubleshooting. All that costs you is time.
You could put the existing hard drive and its installation into the closet as some type of backup, but it will quickly become out of date, lacking Windows updates and maintenance. The more common thing to do is to wipe the old drive and re-use it as a data backup drive of some type---quite possibly using it as a place to store images of your new SSD installation. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Ignatz Special; 4 speed manual gearbox; factory air conditioning; one of one OS Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit CPU Intel Sandy Bridge i5-2500, not overclocked Motherboard Gigabyte H67A-UD3H-B3, full ATX Memory 4 GB Crucial DDR3-1333 Graphics Card none; graphics are integrated on CPU Sound Card onboard: Realtek ALC892; external: USB Behringer UF0-202 Monitor(s) Displays NEC 90GX2-BK 19" LCD Screen Resolution 800 x 640 Keyboard Leopold Tenkeyless with Cherry Blue switches, USB Mouse Logitech or Microsoft optical wired; either USB or PS 2 PSU Seasonic SS-560KM, modular Case Antec Solo II Cooling CPU: Scythe Big Shuriken; Case: Scythe Slipstream 800 & 500 Hard Drives System: Intel 320 Series SSD, 80 GB;
Data: Samsung Spinpoint 103SJ, 1 TB;
Backup: WD Caviar Green WD15EADS-00P8B0, 1.5TB Other Info Power consumption of this system, including monitor: 68 watts at idle; 144 watts at full load |
09 Sep 2012
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| | Windows 7 Pro 64 48 posts |
Cloning to a SSD Thank you for your reply. 
Quote: Originally Posted by ignatzatsonic You refer to a new SSD. And later refer to "new build".
So clarify: will there be any new hardware other than the SSD? It has come time to replace my existing computer (some motherboard issues), so it would be a complete new build. I use my computer for both home and work purposes, so it needs to be trouble-free and solid.
For the OS and programs, I was wanting to upgrade to a SSD, as it seems to have matured in reliability now. (if that is a wrong assumption, please advise). Looking at the Corsair Neutron GTX SSD. At approx. 500 GB, the SSD would be twice the size of my existing C drive. 
Quote: Originally Posted by ignatzatsonic The path of least resistance if you don't mind spending $20 is probably Paragon Migrate, which is built for the purpose.
Have you rejected imaging in favor of cloning? I ask because some use the 2 terms interchangeably, when they are actually different processes. You use the term "cloned image", which implies confusion. I was thinking of a "clone", not an image, wanting a bootable drive that would function the same as the original drive. I haven't cloned a drive before, assume that a "cloned" drive" would be a full and complete replacement of the original drive, bootable, same registry (program configurations), etc.
I have heard briefly of Macrium Professional ($60), which is supposed to clone between different sized "dissimilar drives". I will check out Paragon Migrate as well.
Cloning seems more straightforward than imaging to me. The path of least resistance, along with a reliable new drive, is what I am seeking. 
Quote: Originally Posted by ignatzatsonic
Many would tell you to do a clean install as step 1 regardless, to avoid any doubt or troubleshooting. All that costs you is time. This is one of the key points. It would take a weekend (more or less) to load all the software, get all updates, etc. A hassle, but it could be done. And, if that is what is ultimately the "best" trouble free solution for long term reliability, I would do that.
Appreciate your questions, and assistance. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self Build OS Windows 7 Pro 64 CPU i7 940 Motherboard Asus P6T Delux Memory 6 GB Graphics Card 4870 Sound Card N/A Monitor(s) Displays Samsung Keyboard MS Wireless Ergon keyboard 7000 PSU 700 Coolermax UPS Case Cooler Master Cosmos S Cooling Air Hard Drives Velociraptor + WD 1 GB data backup |
09 Sep 2012
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| | Windows 7 Pro 64 48 posts |

Quote: Originally Posted by ignatzatsonic Have you rejected imaging in favor of cloning? I ask because some use the 2 terms interchangeably, when they are actually different processes. You use the term "cloned image", which implies confusion. That confusing term tht may have snuck into my fingers while I was typing. I have considered installing a fresh copy of Windows 7 or 8 on the new drive, necessitating buying a new copy. If I did that, I would then want to transfrer most of my software, but not all, to the new box.
I don't know enough about imaging to know if I can choose which programs I want to retrieve out of the image and place on the new drive, complete with all registry info. If that is possible, I may consider that route.
Thx again | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self Build OS Windows 7 Pro 64 CPU i7 940 Motherboard Asus P6T Delux Memory 6 GB Graphics Card 4870 Sound Card N/A Monitor(s) Displays Samsung Keyboard MS Wireless Ergon keyboard 7000 PSU 700 Coolermax UPS Case Cooler Master Cosmos S Cooling Air Hard Drives Velociraptor + WD 1 GB data backup |
09 Sep 2012
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| | Windows 7 Ultimate 64 6,799 posts Southern California |
With a new mobo a clean install is recommended. Just know that the SSD will speed the process dramatically. It also is an excellent time to re-evaluate just what you need and where you want it, like placing less used games and software on a spinner and keeping the C boot drive as clean as possible for updates and vital software loading. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number A blend of brains, brawn and dumb luck, ask me about rig #2 ! OS Windows 7 Ultimate 64 CPU i7 3770k OC'd 4.6 @ 1.17v, still love my FX 8120 Motherboard MSI P67A-GD80 b3 Memory 16 gb Crucial Ballistix Tracer DDR3 9-9-9-27 @ 2000 Graphics Card XFX Radeon 7870 Sound Card On board HD audio with lossless 24 bit/192 sample rate Monitor(s) Displays (2) LG LED 23" 1920 x 1080 2ms Monitors via mini d-port Screen Resolution 1680 X 1050 p Keyboard (2) Logitech Illuminated Keyboards (1) usb (1) wireless K800 Mouse Logitech G9x & T-BC21 - nano nx for the laptop PSU Ultra X4 modular 1050 watt 80% silver rating & APC 1200 RS Case CoolerMaster Storm Styker Cooling 6 case fans 140mm & 120mm, Thermaltake h2o extreme Hard Drives Samsung 256 gb 830 SSD sata III
(2) 1 tb Hitachi deskmates/sata II
(1) 1 tb WD green/sata II
(2) 2 tb WD My Book/esata
(1) 500 gb Sea. Freeagent/esata
(2) 250 gb Sea. Freeagent go's/usb
(1) WD 2 tb Green 64 sata III
(1) 120 gb OCZ Vertex SS Internet Speed Upgraded from bottom of the barrel to bareable Other Info 4 Noctua case fans + 3 Noctua in p/p on H100 cooler
Integrated hot swap drive bays for 2.5" Drives
(2) Lite-on dvd/cd optical 22X
Integrated fan controller and led on/off
HP Officejet Pro L7680 all-n-one
HP 4 laserjet (the beast)
Hot swappable 3.5" hard drive bay
Belkin Play N600 HD router
Asus USB 3 & sata 6 PCIe card
Vantec IDE to sata adptr./Ultra sata adptr
HP Probook i3 laptop |
09 Sep 2012
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| | Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit 7,566 posts |
I have no personal experience with Paragon Migrate or Macrium Pro's ability to clone to dissimilar hardware. I know several members have used the former successfully, although I'm not sure if they used it in a total rebuild, as opposed to just a change to an SSD.
I assume you have a retail Windows license and will therefore not need to buy another?
Imaging typically is an all or none proposition---on a partition basis. You cannot pick and choose what OS files or installed programs you want to restore.
Windows 7 apparently is quite forgiving of new hardware, so you may have success with a clone. Some people report transferring an existing hard drive and installation onto a new motherboard with few problems.
It's a tough call. I tend to be conservative in these things and would probably go along with Linnemeyer and lean toward a clean install.
But you might wait for more comments on Paragon Migrate or search this and other forums for comments by those who have used it successfully.
Regarding SSDs: I'd look at Samsung, Intel, or Crucial ahead of Corsair. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Ignatz Special; 4 speed manual gearbox; factory air conditioning; one of one OS Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit CPU Intel Sandy Bridge i5-2500, not overclocked Motherboard Gigabyte H67A-UD3H-B3, full ATX Memory 4 GB Crucial DDR3-1333 Graphics Card none; graphics are integrated on CPU Sound Card onboard: Realtek ALC892; external: USB Behringer UF0-202 Monitor(s) Displays NEC 90GX2-BK 19" LCD Screen Resolution 800 x 640 Keyboard Leopold Tenkeyless with Cherry Blue switches, USB Mouse Logitech or Microsoft optical wired; either USB or PS 2 PSU Seasonic SS-560KM, modular Case Antec Solo II Cooling CPU: Scythe Big Shuriken; Case: Scythe Slipstream 800 & 500 Hard Drives System: Intel 320 Series SSD, 80 GB;
Data: Samsung Spinpoint 103SJ, 1 TB;
Backup: WD Caviar Green WD15EADS-00P8B0, 1.5TB Other Info Power consumption of this system, including monitor: 68 watts at idle; 144 watts at full load |
09 Sep 2012
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| | Windows 7 Ultimate 64 6,799 posts Southern California |
+1 on Crucial and Samsung | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number A blend of brains, brawn and dumb luck, ask me about rig #2 ! OS Windows 7 Ultimate 64 CPU i7 3770k OC'd 4.6 @ 1.17v, still love my FX 8120 Motherboard MSI P67A-GD80 b3 Memory 16 gb Crucial Ballistix Tracer DDR3 9-9-9-27 @ 2000 Graphics Card XFX Radeon 7870 Sound Card On board HD audio with lossless 24 bit/192 sample rate Monitor(s) Displays (2) LG LED 23" 1920 x 1080 2ms Monitors via mini d-port Screen Resolution 1680 X 1050 p Keyboard (2) Logitech Illuminated Keyboards (1) usb (1) wireless K800 Mouse Logitech G9x & T-BC21 - nano nx for the laptop PSU Ultra X4 modular 1050 watt 80% silver rating & APC 1200 RS Case CoolerMaster Storm Styker Cooling 6 case fans 140mm & 120mm, Thermaltake h2o extreme Hard Drives Samsung 256 gb 830 SSD sata III
(2) 1 tb Hitachi deskmates/sata II
(1) 1 tb WD green/sata II
(2) 2 tb WD My Book/esata
(1) 500 gb Sea. Freeagent/esata
(2) 250 gb Sea. Freeagent go's/usb
(1) WD 2 tb Green 64 sata III
(1) 120 gb OCZ Vertex SS Internet Speed Upgraded from bottom of the barrel to bareable Other Info 4 Noctua case fans + 3 Noctua in p/p on H100 cooler
Integrated hot swap drive bays for 2.5" Drives
(2) Lite-on dvd/cd optical 22X
Integrated fan controller and led on/off
HP Officejet Pro L7680 all-n-one
HP 4 laserjet (the beast)
Hot swappable 3.5" hard drive bay
Belkin Play N600 HD router
Asus USB 3 & sata 6 PCIe card
Vantec IDE to sata adptr./Ultra sata adptr
HP Probook i3 laptop |
10 Sep 2012
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| | Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 4,012 posts Australia |
I have a Crucial but would opt for a Samsung next.
Also with a new Motherboard I'd also do a clean install. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Own build (+ Recased Acer Aspire x1800) OS Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 CPU Intel i7 2600k Motherboard ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe Memory G.Skill Ripjaws (DDR3-1600) 2x4GB Graphics Card Nvidia GeForce GTS 450; Intel HD Graphics 3000(GT2+) Monitor(s) Displays Dell Ultrasharp IPS panel U2311H, Samsung SyncMaster P2350 Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech MK520 (wireless) Mouse Logitech MK520 PSU Seasonic M12II 520W Case Lian Li Lancool PC-K60 Cooling Case: 1x120mm, 3x140mm CPU: Hyper 212+ Hard Drives Crucial M4 128GB (000F), Seagates 1TB Barracuda ST31000528AS + Internet Speed 6-7 Mbps Antivirus Norton NIS, Malwarebytes on 2 (MSE on 3rd PC) Browser FireFox Other Info Audio: Logitech Z523 2.1 |
10 Sep 2012
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| | Windows 7 Home Premium 32-Bit - Build 7600 SP1 3,036 posts Houston, Texas |
You need to do a Clean Install. If you image you are going to take old Motherboard drivers in the image and who knows what else. You said it is for work and needs to be as stable as possible. Imaging an old PC to a new one will not get you that. The Clean Install will not take that long. Try this tutorial. Clean Install Windows 7 | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Build OS Windows 7 Home Premium 32-Bit - Build 7600 SP1 CPU Intel Core i3-2120 3.30Ghz Motherboard Asus P8Z68-V LX Intel Z68 Socket H2 ATX Memory Kingston 4 GB DDR3 1333 mhz Graphics Card Zotac GeForce 9400 GT 512MB Sound Card Sound Blaster Audigy SE 24-Bit Monitor(s) Displays Samsung Sync Master 940 = 19 inch Screen Resolution 1440 X 900 Keyboard Microsoft Natural 4000 Mouse Microsoft Custom Optical 3000 PSU 500 watt Case NZXT Apollo - Silver with Clear Side Panel Cooling Three 120 mm Fans Hard Drives OCZ Vertex 3 120 GB Sata 3 SSD ==
Western Digital 160 GB Caviar Blue 7200 RPM ==
Western Digital 500 GB Caviar Green 7200 RPM == Internet Speed AT&T Fiber Optic Wireless Network Other Info 120 mm Blue LED Fan -- Three Blue LED Lazer Light Sticks |
10 Sep 2012
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| | Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 4,012 posts Australia |
Although I've never used it, you can use sysprep Windows 7 Installation - Transfer to a New Computer
But personally it would have to be exceptional circumstances for me to go this way. Again I'd start nice and clean and then with a proper system imaging strategy you may never need a clean install on the PC again. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Own build (+ Recased Acer Aspire x1800) OS Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 CPU Intel i7 2600k Motherboard ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe Memory G.Skill Ripjaws (DDR3-1600) 2x4GB Graphics Card Nvidia GeForce GTS 450; Intel HD Graphics 3000(GT2+) Monitor(s) Displays Dell Ultrasharp IPS panel U2311H, Samsung SyncMaster P2350 Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech MK520 (wireless) Mouse Logitech MK520 PSU Seasonic M12II 520W Case Lian Li Lancool PC-K60 Cooling Case: 1x120mm, 3x140mm CPU: Hyper 212+ Hard Drives Crucial M4 128GB (000F), Seagates 1TB Barracuda ST31000528AS + Internet Speed 6-7 Mbps Antivirus Norton NIS, Malwarebytes on 2 (MSE on 3rd PC) Browser FireFox Other Info Audio: Logitech Z523 2.1 Cloning questions re: upgrading to SSD problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:53 AM. | |