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Windows 7: Macrium perhaps not what I'm looking for...or is it?

29 Oct 2013   #11
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

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You can get a plastic stack of drawers in Walmart for about $10 to store 1/2 dozen bare drives in. It's very cool. I had USB 3.0 docking stations for both my desktop machines. Plus you can leave a drive in the dock as a data drive. Not to mention an SSD for fast video muxing, if you're into video conversion stuff.
MA, you happen to have a link for such a docking station - sounds interesting but I have not seen one yet.


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29 Oct 2013   #12
MilesAhead

Windows 7 32 bit
 
 

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You can get a plastic stack of drawers in Walmart for about $10 to store 1/2 dozen bare drives in. It's very cool. I had USB 3.0 docking stations for both my desktop machines. Plus you can leave a drive in the dock as a data drive. Not to mention an SSD for fast video muxing, if you're into video conversion stuff.
MA, you happen to have a link for such a docking station - sounds interesting but I have not seen one yet.
The USB 3.0 docks I had were SIIG that worked with both 3.5" and 2.5" drives. They were expensive as USB 3.0 was new when I got them. Around $50 ea. Now I'm told it's perfected such that the $20 and under docks work fine. The SSD I used was a Kingston that was probably going extinct. I got a good deal on Egg. I think it was a 90 GB SSD for about $70.

edit: the USB 3.0 did not max out the sequential read/write speeds of the SSD. But the drive still got great random read/write. So for muxing video with source and destination on the SSD, it kicked ass.
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29 Oct 2013   #13
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

Did you have that pink foam rubber thing specially made?

What gives with the gloves? I do very little imaging compared to you lot, not for myself anyway. I do a lot of testing of those kind of programs, however.

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...In fact I know a guy on another forum who restores the Macrium image to a HD in a docking station. Then he puts the drive in a drawer. If his system fails, he pops the backup HD in and boots. No boot CD restore. It's already been done. But he's a docking station aficionado. He does everything with them.
I had to laugh at that because that is pretty much what I do, especially the parts in bold. I prefer restoring my system back to the installed drive, either using a restoration CD, a USB stick (I recently made some for my two machines) or Macrium Reflect's ability to restore internally (I have the Pro version) during boot up.

Where I do use the two docks I have installed in my desktop machine (one 3.5" and one 2.5") is to backup my data drives.

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When imaging my boot drive I save it to a folder on my main data drive and it gets backed up when I backup the data drive. I clone the data drive to a drive plugged into the dock, then, when finished, I take the backup drive out of the dock and literally put it in a drawer.

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If the data drive should die, I can stick one of the backup drives into the dock and use it until I get and install a replacement data drive.

The only possible problem with leaving a drive in a dock is cooling. Docks like mine have no means of cooling the HDD. Fortunately, my drives, when in the docks, run only 1C over the ones inside the computer. There are docks, however, that do have provisions for cooling. Servers use them.
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29 Oct 2013   #14
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

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Did you have that pink foam rubber thing specially made?

What gives with the gloves? I do very little imaging compared to you lot, not for myself anyway. I do a lot of testing of those kind of programs, however.
No, I bought it. They are designed to fit in standard filing cabinet drawers. It wasn't cheap, either, but it's made of anti-static foam so I don't have to store the HDDs in the anti-static sleeves; that makes handling far more convenient, easpeially since I also don't have to juggle them HDDs to see find the one I want. The 18 holer like what I have can be bought here and a 24 holer here (sounds like I'm referring to super outhouses). I originally ordered the 18 holer but the company I bought it from (the HenFruit company was out at the time) ran out after I had made the order. They offered to let me have the 24 holer for the same price as the 18 holer or I could cancel the order. Needless to say, I was all over the 24 holer offer like stink on skunk. It was too big for the drawer I was going to put it in but a minute with a hand saw fixed that minor detail.

The black thingies in some of the holes are spacers I made from some additional anti-static foam I bought so I can conveniently store 2.5" HDDs as well as 3.5".

The anti-static gloves are because I'm such a shocking person. All seriousness aside, I have a huge problem with static electricity in my house because of the vinyl floor tiles and the dry climate I live in; winters are especially bad. I can literally turn on some of my CFLs very briefly by touching a pull chain for the light switches. In fact, I have killed the electronics in a couple of CFLs while installing them. I've learned to be very religious about grounding myself before touching anything. I also pick up something metallic, such a key or a coin, and grounding myself through it to reduce the bite of the zap (I HATE! getting zapped). Even with the anti-static gloves, I first touch a pull chain that's close to my computer, then the computer case itself—I generally wear just one glove—before inserting or removing a HDD from a swap bay with the gloved hand.
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29 Oct 2013   #15
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

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You can get a plastic stack of drawers in Walmart for about $10 to store 1/2 dozen bare drives in. It's very cool. I had USB 3.0 docking stations for both my desktop machines. Plus you can leave a drive in the dock as a data drive. Not to mention an SSD for fast video muxing, if you're into video conversion stuff.
MA, you happen to have a link for such a docking station - sounds interesting but I have not seen one yet.
The USB 3.0 docks I had were SIIG that worked with both 3.5" and 2.5" drives. They were expensive as USB 3.0 was new when I got them. Around $50 ea. Now I'm told it's perfected such that the $20 and under docks work fine. The SSD I used was a Kingston that was probably going extinct. I got a good deal on Egg. I think it was a 90 GB SSD for about $70.

edit: the USB 3.0 did not max out the sequential read/write speeds of the SSD. But the drive still got great random read/write. So for muxing video with source and destination on the SSD, it kicked ass.
Thanks for the info. Will study the matter on the Egg.
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29 Oct 2013   #16
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Even faster than USB 3.0 external docks are some of the ones that connect via e-SATA, depending on if they run at SATA 2.0 or SATA 3.0 speeds. I have an older one that uses either USB 2.0 or e-SATA. On USB 2.0, it is as fast as a dead dog but on e-SATA, it sails along at a pretty fair clip. I haven't actually measured the speed but the dock on e-SATA is clearly much faster than USB but appears to be slower than my internal docks.

What I like about my internal docks is they use no electronics so each one is essentially a pass-through directly to a SATA 3.0 port on my HBA card and I don't have to horse around with cables and separate PSUs.
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29 Oct 2013   #17
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

I haven't seen those before. I have only got 3 drives so not much point. They look attractive in pink, though.

Pretty expensive for a bit of foam.

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29 Oct 2013   #18
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Even faster than USB 3.0 external docks are some of the ones that connect via e-SATA, depending on if they run at SATA 2.0 or SATA 3.0 speeds. I have an older one that uses either USB 2.0 or e-SATA. On USB 2.0, it is as fast as a dead dog but on e-SATA, it sails along at a pretty fair clip. I haven't actually measured the speed but the dock on e-SATA is clearly much faster than USB but appears to be slower than my internal docks.

What I like about my internal docks is they use no electronics so each one is essentially a pass-through directly to a SATA 3.0 port on my HBA card and I don't have to horse around with cables and separate PSUs.
That is my experience too. Despite the better specs of USB3, my tests show that eSata is faster - e.g. for making an image which is 30GBs. And the comparison was done on the same PC, a Dell XPS 8300 with i7, 8GB of RAM, system on a Crucial M$ and an external 7200RPM HDD.
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29 Oct 2013   #19
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

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...Pretty expensive for a bit of foam.

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True that! Still, for my needs, I felt the price was worth it.

I suspect a lot of hand labor goes into making them (they are made of several laminated layers) and I know for a fact that anti-static foam isn't cheap. In fact, there is a rather negative review on one of them carping about the price. Not only did the reviewer not purchase the "egg crate" (my term for lack of a better, more concise term), I suspect his free alternatives (which, for most people, aren't going to be as easy to obtain as he claims) aren't anti-static since new drives are normally shipped in an anti-static sleeve, negating the need for anti-static foam. I wanted anti-static foam so I wouldn't have to horse with anti-static sleeves. These "egg crates" are definitely a niche product.
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29 Oct 2013   #20
MilesAhead

Windows 7 32 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Even faster than USB 3.0 external docks are some of the ones that connect via e-SATA, depending on if they run at SATA 2.0 or SATA 3.0 speeds. I have an older one that uses either USB 2.0 or e-SATA. On USB 2.0, it is as fast as a dead dog but on e-SATA, it sails along at a pretty fair clip. I haven't actually measured the speed but the dock on e-SATA is clearly much faster than USB but appears to be slower than my internal docks.

What I like about my internal docks is they use no electronics so each one is essentially a pass-through directly to a SATA 3.0 port on my HBA card and I don't have to horse around with cables and separate PSUs.

Ask a rule of thumb benchmark I like to copy a file of some size. Like maybe a GB or 2. Also use Crystal Disk Mark. The SIIG claim 5 Gb/s max rating. CDM sequential read/write typically around 120+ MB/s if the internal in the dock is Sata III. For instance WD Caviar Black 1 TB. I guess the throughput isn't all that much higher in reality as I seem to remember the SSD only doing a bit better than that on sequential. But of course the random access was phenomenal.

Strangely enough when I plugged my Seagate 500 GB external USB 2.0 drive into the SIIG while waiting for the USB 3.0 docks to arrive, I got about a 15% increase in sequential throughput. Instead of large single file copies at about 24 MB/s they came in consistently at about 32 MB/s. Weird. But I'll take it.

This Laptop has one USB 3.0 port but I haven't copied a large file. Only USB 3.0 thing I have to plug into it is a USB 3.0 key drive from AData. So I can't really compare.
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