Macrium perhaps not what I'm looking for...or is it?

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  1. whs
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       #11

    You can get a plastic stack of drawers in Walmart for about $10 to store 1/2 dozen bare drives in. It's very cool. I had USB 3.0 docking stations for both my desktop machines. Plus you can leave a drive in the dock as a data drive. Not to mention an SSD for fast video muxing, if you're into video conversion stuff.
    MA, you happen to have a link for such a docking station - sounds interesting but I have not seen one yet.
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  2. Posts : 5,092
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       #12

    whs said:
    You can get a plastic stack of drawers in Walmart for about $10 to store 1/2 dozen bare drives in. It's very cool. I had USB 3.0 docking stations for both my desktop machines. Plus you can leave a drive in the dock as a data drive. Not to mention an SSD for fast video muxing, if you're into video conversion stuff.
    MA, you happen to have a link for such a docking station - sounds interesting but I have not seen one yet.
    The USB 3.0 docks I had were SIIG that worked with both 3.5" and 2.5" drives. They were expensive as USB 3.0 was new when I got them. Around $50 ea. Now I'm told it's perfected such that the $20 and under docks work fine. The SSD I used was a Kingston that was probably going extinct. I got a good deal on Egg. I think it was a 90 GB SSD for about $70.

    edit: the USB 3.0 did not max out the sequential read/write speeds of the SSD. But the drive still got great random read/write. So for muxing video with source and destination on the SSD, it kicked ass.
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  3. Posts : 16,160
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       #13

    Did you have that pink foam rubber thing specially made?

    What gives with the gloves? I do very little imaging compared to you lot, not for myself anyway. I do a lot of testing of those kind of programs, however.

    Lady Fitzgerald said:
    MilesAhead said:
    ...In fact I know a guy on another forum who restores the Macrium image to a HD in a docking station. Then he puts the drive in a drawer. If his system fails, he pops the backup HD in and boots. No boot CD restore. It's already been done. But he's a docking station aficionado. He does everything with them.
    I had to laugh at that because that is pretty much what I do, especially the parts in bold. I prefer restoring my system back to the installed drive, either using a restoration CD, a USB stick (I recently made some for my two machines) or Macrium Reflect's ability to restore internally (I have the Pro version) during boot up.

    Where I do use the two docks I have installed in my desktop machine (one 3.5" and one 2.5") is to backup my data drives.

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    When imaging my boot drive I save it to a folder on my main data drive and it gets backed up when I backup the data drive. I clone the data drive to a drive plugged into the dock, then, when finished, I take the backup drive out of the dock and literally put it in a drawer.

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    If the data drive should die, I can stick one of the backup drives into the dock and use it until I get and install a replacement data drive.

    The only possible problem with leaving a drive in a dock is cooling. Docks like mine have no means of cooling the HDD. Fortunately, my drives, when in the docks, run only 1°C over the ones inside the computer. There are docks, however, that do have provisions for cooling. Servers use them.
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       #14

    SIW2 said:
    Did you have that pink foam rubber thing specially made?

    What gives with the gloves? I do very little imaging compared to you lot, not for myself anyway. I do a lot of testing of those kind of programs, however.
    No, I bought it. They are designed to fit in standard filing cabinet drawers. It wasn't cheap, either, but it's made of anti-static foam so I don't have to store the HDDs in the anti-static sleeves; that makes handling far more convenient, easpeially since I also don't have to juggle them HDDs to see find the one I want. The 18 holer like what I have can be bought here and a 24 holer here (sounds like I'm referring to super outhouses). I originally ordered the 18 holer but the company I bought it from (the HenFruit company was out at the time) ran out after I had made the order. They offered to let me have the 24 holer for the same price as the 18 holer or I could cancel the order. Needless to say, I was all over the 24 holer offer like stink on skunk. It was too big for the drawer I was going to put it in but a minute with a hand saw fixed that minor detail.

    The black thingies in some of the holes are spacers I made from some additional anti-static foam I bought so I can conveniently store 2.5" HDDs as well as 3.5".

    The anti-static gloves are because I'm such a shocking person. All seriousness aside, I have a huge problem with static electricity in my house because of the vinyl floor tiles and the dry climate I live in; winters are especially bad. I can literally turn on some of my CFLs very briefly by touching a pull chain for the light switches. In fact, I have killed the electronics in a couple of CFLs while installing them. I've learned to be very religious about grounding myself before touching anything. I also pick up something metallic, such a key or a coin, and grounding myself through it to reduce the bite of the zap (I HATE! getting zapped). Even with the anti-static gloves, I first touch a pull chain that's close to my computer, then the computer case itself—I generally wear just one glove—before inserting or removing a HDD from a swap bay with the gloved hand.
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  5. whs
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       #15

    MilesAhead said:
    whs said:
    You can get a plastic stack of drawers in Walmart for about $10 to store 1/2 dozen bare drives in. It's very cool. I had USB 3.0 docking stations for both my desktop machines. Plus you can leave a drive in the dock as a data drive. Not to mention an SSD for fast video muxing, if you're into video conversion stuff.
    MA, you happen to have a link for such a docking station - sounds interesting but I have not seen one yet.
    The USB 3.0 docks I had were SIIG that worked with both 3.5" and 2.5" drives. They were expensive as USB 3.0 was new when I got them. Around $50 ea. Now I'm told it's perfected such that the $20 and under docks work fine. The SSD I used was a Kingston that was probably going extinct. I got a good deal on Egg. I think it was a 90 GB SSD for about $70.

    edit: the USB 3.0 did not max out the sequential read/write speeds of the SSD. But the drive still got great random read/write. So for muxing video with source and destination on the SSD, it kicked ass.
    Thanks for the info. Will study the matter on the Egg.
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  6. Posts : 9,600
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       #16

    Even faster than USB 3.0 external docks are some of the ones that connect via e-SATA, depending on if they run at SATA 2.0 or SATA 3.0 speeds. I have an older one that uses either USB 2.0 or e-SATA. On USB 2.0, it is as fast as a dead dog but on e-SATA, it sails along at a pretty fair clip. I haven't actually measured the speed but the dock on e-SATA is clearly much faster than USB but appears to be slower than my internal docks.

    What I like about my internal docks is they use no electronics so each one is essentially a pass-through directly to a SATA 3.0 port on my HBA card and I don't have to horse around with cables and separate PSUs.
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  7. Posts : 16,160
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       #17

    I haven't seen those before. I have only got 3 drives so not much point. They look attractive in pink, though.

    Pretty expensive for a bit of foam.

    Macrium perhaps not what I'm looking for...or is it?-17-984-017-02.jpg
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  8. whs
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       #18

    Lady Fitzgerald said:
    Even faster than USB 3.0 external docks are some of the ones that connect via e-SATA, depending on if they run at SATA 2.0 or SATA 3.0 speeds. I have an older one that uses either USB 2.0 or e-SATA. On USB 2.0, it is as fast as a dead dog but on e-SATA, it sails along at a pretty fair clip. I haven't actually measured the speed but the dock on e-SATA is clearly much faster than USB but appears to be slower than my internal docks.

    What I like about my internal docks is they use no electronics so each one is essentially a pass-through directly to a SATA 3.0 port on my HBA card and I don't have to horse around with cables and separate PSUs.
    That is my experience too. Despite the better specs of USB3, my tests show that eSata is faster - e.g. for making an image which is 30GBs. And the comparison was done on the same PC, a Dell XPS 8300 with i7, 8GB of RAM, system on a Crucial M$ and an external 7200RPM HDD.
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  9. Posts : 9,600
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       #19

    SIW2 said:
    ...Pretty expensive for a bit of foam.

    Macrium perhaps not what I'm looking for...or is it?-17-984-017-02.jpg
    True that! Still, for my needs, I felt the price was worth it.

    I suspect a lot of hand labor goes into making them (they are made of several laminated layers) and I know for a fact that anti-static foam isn't cheap. In fact, there is a rather negative review on one of them carping about the price. Not only did the reviewer not purchase the "egg crate" (my term for lack of a better, more concise term), I suspect his free alternatives (which, for most people, aren't going to be as easy to obtain as he claims) aren't anti-static since new drives are normally shipped in an anti-static sleeve, negating the need for anti-static foam. I wanted anti-static foam so I wouldn't have to horse with anti-static sleeves. These "egg crates" are definitely a niche product.
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  10. Posts : 5,092
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       #20

    Lady Fitzgerald said:
    Even faster than USB 3.0 external docks are some of the ones that connect via e-SATA, depending on if they run at SATA 2.0 or SATA 3.0 speeds. I have an older one that uses either USB 2.0 or e-SATA. On USB 2.0, it is as fast as a dead dog but on e-SATA, it sails along at a pretty fair clip. I haven't actually measured the speed but the dock on e-SATA is clearly much faster than USB but appears to be slower than my internal docks.

    What I like about my internal docks is they use no electronics so each one is essentially a pass-through directly to a SATA 3.0 port on my HBA card and I don't have to horse around with cables and separate PSUs.

    Ask a rule of thumb benchmark I like to copy a file of some size. Like maybe a GB or 2. Also use Crystal Disk Mark. The SIIG claim 5 Gb/s max rating. CDM sequential read/write typically around 120+ MB/s if the internal in the dock is Sata III. For instance WD Caviar Black 1 TB. I guess the throughput isn't all that much higher in reality as I seem to remember the SSD only doing a bit better than that on sequential. But of course the random access was phenomenal.

    Strangely enough when I plugged my Seagate 500 GB external USB 2.0 drive into the SIIG while waiting for the USB 3.0 docks to arrive, I got about a 15% increase in sequential throughput. Instead of large single file copies at about 24 MB/s they came in consistently at about 32 MB/s. Weird. But I'll take it.

    This Laptop has one USB 3.0 port but I haven't copied a large file. Only USB 3.0 thing I have to plug into it is a USB 3.0 key drive from AData. So I can't really compare. :)
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