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Windows 7: Cloning Disappointed

29 Dec 2013   #1
heritage

windows 7 ultimate x64
 
 
Cloning Disappointed

I want to avoid the hazel of installing and updating Win 7 if current hard drive dies. All else (e.g. documents, AppData, eMail backed up and easily restored). I have identical hard drives (SATA) and cloned current drive "successfully". When I swap the drives, everything seems to work perfectly. If I use only the cloned drive (which would be the case where original failed) Windows starts to boot but stops with message something like "not genuine Windows"). Defeats the purpose.

Anyone know how to make this work? (Or explain the failure.)

For those who like details: Windows 7 Ultimate, Macrium Reflect Free
I found a Thread which discusses how to do this with Paragon but I couldn't get it to clone; just backup.

I also have a similar computer and I cloned the same way with Acronis True Image.

Ironic that MS seems to think I am a pirate. I get Windows, most MS and Adobe software free through my university.


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30 Dec 2013   #2
Mark Phelps

Win7 Pro 32-bit, Win8 Pro 32-bit
 
 

Sorry, but MS uses the hard drive serial number as part of the hash code it generates to validate a Windows install. When you changed out the drive, the new hash code won't match the old one -- hence the validation message.

You would probably have to reactivate Win7.
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30 Dec 2013   #3
DavidE

Multi-Boot W7_Pro_x64 W8.1_Pro_x64 W10_Pro_x64
 
 

I use Imaging (not cloning) for OS+Programs partition system backups.
I've restored Images to a different HD/SSD than the Image was created on many times.
I've never had a "not genuine" issue, or needed to re-activate after restoring.
I use Acronis TI (paid).

I don't understand why imaging would work differently than cloning for this ...
You might want to test using Imaging to see if you have the same problem ...
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30 Dec 2013   #4
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

Problem with the disk signature. I am making something to fix that.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by heritage View Post
I want to avoid the hazel of installing and updating Win 7 if current hard drive dies. All else (e.g. documents, AppData, eMail backed up and easily restored). I have identical hard drives (SATA) and cloned current drive "successfully". When I swap the drives, everything seems to work perfectly. If I use only the cloned drive (which would be the case where original failed) Windows starts to boot but stops with message something like "not genuine Windows"). Defeats the purpose.

Anyone know how to make this work? (Or explain the failure.)

For those who like details: Windows 7 Ultimate, Macrium Reflect Free
I found a Thread which discusses how to do this with Paragon but I couldn't get it to clone; just backup.

I also have a similar computer and I cloned the same way with Acronis True Image.

Ironic that MS seems to think I am a pirate. I get Windows, most MS and Adobe software free through my university.
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30 Dec 2013   #5
Britton30
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

I rarely clone a drive but with imaging I have never had a non-genuine issue. I know swapping in a clone takes 2 minutes and restoring an image maybe 12-20 minutes, but it works well. This also would require another, 3rd, HDD to store images too.
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30 Dec 2013   #6
heritage

windows 7 ultimate x64
 
 

Thanks for the responses. I am still learning at my advanced age - the problem being remembering it all.
I will try imaging. I have done that a few times but not for Windows. Will have to think about the details.
Looking forward to SIW2's results. Another chance for me to learn something.
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30 Dec 2013   #7
DavidE

Multi-Boot W7_Pro_x64 W8.1_Pro_x64 W10_Pro_x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by heritage View Post
Thanks for the responses. I am still learning at my advanced age - the problem being remembering it all.
I will try imaging. I have done that a few times but not for Windows. Will have to think about the details.
Looking forward to SIW2's results. Another chance for me to learn something.
Yea, there is a lot to think about with backup strategy...
But, that's what helps us senior folks keep going -trying and learning !

Another advantage of imaging is you can save multiple images on the same HD so you can restore from a different backup image "save point/date created" if you run into problems.
With cloning, the entire HD is "copied" so you only have the latest "clone backup" available if you have problems.

I keep several backup images so I can restore to an earlier point in time if restoring the latest backup image did not fix the issue I just "found"...
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30 Dec 2013   #8
Britton30
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

Here is an excellent tutorial for using Macrium Reflect Free by another one of us older more experienced members.
Imaging with free Macrium
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01 Jan 2014   #9
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

It took a while, but here it is. I made this for winpe, however the bit you need works fine run from within Windows as well.

NT6repairEx64.zip


Run it as administrator, select the non starting windows partition in the dropdown and click FIX.

Cloning Disappointed-nt6rep1.jpg


Then a little cmd window pops up telling you it all completed successfully:

Cloning Disappointed-nt6rep2.jpg


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01 Jan 2014   #10
heritage

windows 7 ultimate x64
 
 
Amazing

Thanks to SIW2. I can't believe you did this. I see why you have all those accolades.

At first your reply completely confused me but after staring at it a while I think I understand.

At the moment I have an original drive and a cloned drive. The cloned drive will not boot if it is the only drive installed (although it will boot if both drive are installed).
Your instructions are to run your program 'NT6repairEx64.EXE' (presumably from the original drive);
Select the cloned drive, and click 'FIX'

Sorry to be a nuisance. I will wait a while to see if you correct me.

Wow!
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