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Windows 7: Not enough disk space to create the volume shadow copy ...

16 Jan 2014   #21
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

Re: VSS startup:
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Tranas Spietis View Post
Have a link to that MS recommendation? It is certainly that way on a clean install. I have no dispute with that, however have not seen such a recommendation...........................................
Sure try this
Event ID 13 ? Volume Shadow Copy Service Operations
Under:Check that the VSS service is enabled

You then go on a bit including saying:
"I posted no such thing. I stated that increasing the size of the (system) reserved partition *allowed* you to make an image. reread the post. This issue is *NOT* the size of the partition, but the amount of remaining free space therein.
If Windows 7 needed a 200MB reserved partition, one presumes it would create one during install. It does not. Possibly there is there a KB article suggesting such an increase in size?"

A big presumption. System reserved needs 40-50MB shadow storage and a 100MB system reserved partition cuts it a bit fine for some users for some reason not fully known. That is why extending it to ~200MB is a solution.

You also say:
"there are also free space requirements for shadow storage on the partition where the image will be stored."

We know that. Browse this forum (which you appear to want to rename) and you'll find references to that and how to check.

It's a decision for you not to use third party imaging software. I've used Windows inbuilt imaging 100's of times on a number of PCs without problem yet I still use Macrium Reflect as a safeguard. Although Windows 7 is one of the best OSs, it is not bug free and we are not the MS software engineers that wrote it or MS employees.

You can also go over to the Microsoft Community forum - best of luck.
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16 Jan 2014   #22
Tranas Spietis

Win7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote:
Sure try this
Event ID 13 ? Volume Shadow Copy Service Operations
Under:Check that the VSS service is enabled
Event logs or logon show no Event ID 13 and/or any errors in VSS service.

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Applies To: Windows Server 2008
Wrong OS.

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A big presumption. System reserved needs 40-50MB shadow storage and a 100MB system reserved partition cuts it a bit fine for some users for some reason not fully known. That is why extending it to ~200MB is a solution.
You claim it as a "solution". My experience differs. MS has neither patched the OS to install a 200 MB reserved partition, nor have I seen a KB article suggesting such.

Nothing precludes anyone from partitioning to create a 200 MB [why stop there??] or a 30 GB reserved partition [just to cover the reason(s) not fully known....]

Quote:
"there are also free space requirements for shadow storage on the partition where the image will be stored."

We know that.
...but failed to mention that in the post - so I did. Not everyone combs the forum for minutia. Lots of suggestions about what to do, but precious little information about the causes the basic problem. The gist of most of the "solutions" boil down to MS is just plain stupid. That may, in fact, be true, but I see no evidence presented to support such.

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we are not the MS software engineers that wrote it or MS employees
There are, however, plenty of intelligent folks that are neither MS software engineers nor MS employees. I have no doubt that lots of them participate in this forum, otherwise I would not waste the time, TYVM
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16 Jan 2014   #23
derekimo

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I don't have an answer for you but you are right about intelligent people participating here, I'm sure others will post when they see this thread.

Going back to some of your other points, I checked my Volume shadow copy service and it was also stopped but is set to Automatic (Delayed Start).

I can also confirm that when starting backup it does start the service.

I don't have the problem of system reserved being too full, so I can't help there either.

You have definitely done your research so there isn't much I can add, I am curious to see how this turns out though.
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16 Jan 2014   #24
Tranas Spietis

Win7 Pro x64
 
 

Hi derekimo,

as to VSS, this is how MS support suggests Win7x64 be configured. I chose "Automatic", simply because I presumed it might clear space on the partition at startup by starting the service without have to do that manually. For two months, I did not have a problem with reserved being too full either...


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16 Jan 2014   #25
derekimo

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Yeah, I think either of those automatic settings would be fine. It still stays in the stopped state until backup is started or a restore point is being created.

I had a problem quite a while ago with windows backup not finding certain files but it was completing the task, just without those files, I never did find out what files it was looking for.

This is certainly a head scratcher...
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16 Jan 2014   #26
Tranas Spietis

Win7 Pro x64
 
 

... and here is a link to "What you should know about Volume Shadow Copy..."

What you should know about Volume Shadow Copy/System Restore in Windows 7 & Vista (FAQ) | Trying To Be Helpful

and I am beginning to suspect that the extra space taken up in the reserved partition is hidden/read only shadow copy(ies) - and this may be why the reserved partition displayed files and the "used" MB on the partition do not match.

Starting VSS may initiate deletion of any temporary shadow copies created during previous system imaging. Hence the sudden cleanup of 40+ MB on the reserved partition. If VSS is set to Automatic - regular or delayed start - the result should be sufficient space on the reserved partition after a reboot.
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16 Jan 2014   #27
derekimo

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 
 

That's a good link there, some good info.

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and I am beginning to suspect that the extra space taken up in the reserved partition is hidden/read only shadow copy(ies)
Good suspicion, how would one confirm that though? Why put them there is a good question as well.
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16 Jan 2014   #28
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

@ Tranas
I am beginning to think that your question is more academic than practical. An inability to accept at times that the 100MB system reserved partition is not of sufficient size to allow a system image. MS state that
"If the partition is less than 500 MB, it must have at least 50 MB of free space."
With a 100MB partition one reason can be USB journal files or maybe something else such as uncleared shadow storage (speculation) resulting in not providing 50MB of free space needed for shadow storage for creating a subsequent image. I would also speculate that the OS will eventually clear up system reserved but not in a timely fashion. This is probably a design flaw.

Regarding the use of a 200 MB system reserved rather than a 100 MB partition. You say:
"You claim it as a "solution". My experience differs. MS has neither patched the OS to install a 200 MB reserved partition, nor have I seen a KB article suggesting such."
What experience is that? With a 200MB system reserved can you demonstrate an inability to create a system image?
MS patching the OS would be problematic and just because MS may not have a KB article on the matter means nothing.
Many people with experience on this forum have recommended either increasing the size of system reserved or moving the boot functions into the OS partition with success.

The manual startup type for Volume Shadow Copy is the default for both Windows Server 2008 AND Windows 7. The event ID 13 reference in the link is neither here nor there. If you want another view on the same
Volume Shadow Copy
Go looking yourself if you want more convincing. That's not to say automatic wouldn't work.

You also say:
"The gist of most of the "solutions" boil down to MS is just plain stupid".
How do you respond to a statement like that! Windows 7 was the first time MS introduced system imaging for the general user. Maybe they aren't as experienced as a third party software house with system imaging as their bread and butter. Many experienced users on this forum do not use Windows inbuilt imaging because they view it as problematic. These same people view Windows 7 as an excellent OS and I'm sure don't view MS as stupid!

Maybe some other members will come on board and help you. I'll watch with interest.
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16 Jan 2014   #29
proteus459

Windows 7, 64 bit, SP-1
 
 

So far, this thread is way over my head so I'm going to plead for simple English. My 500 Gb backup drive fills up when there is no apparent reason for it to do so. I have made screen caps of the disk management table and the two dialogs related to back up settings. If someone could suggest a course of action, based on what they see, as to how I can deal with the fact that Windows is not obeying the setting that defines how much drive space it should use for backups, I would appreciate it. The P drive visible in the management table is an external drive used by Sync Toy to store game data and files that are changed several times a day.

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16 Jan 2014   #30
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

Proteus,
you may get more responses if you start a new thread.
For the time being:
You have ~96 GB on C: which suggest a reasonable amount of data (excluding the operating system and installed programs). I am guessing you have a scheduled backup that includes both file/folder (essentially personal data) and system image options.
What you could do in Backup settings is to select "Let me choose" and deselect the create an image option. Then use the "Create a system image" (left on backup and restore screen) button to manually create system images when you feel it is necessary.
I'm also guessing that a lot of the data on your C: partition is fairly static. It is best to keep this on a separate partition and back it up separately. You could create a data partition on C: but that depends on how comfortable you are in doing this.
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