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Windows 7: Windows Backup and Restore System Image

30 Jan 2014   #11
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by BJB View Post
Not quite what I said -

"After installing Grub4DOS as boot manager Win 7 booted normally, but when I then restored the System Image it failed to boot."
So what are you saying. My natural assumption is you made the Windows system image before installing Grub - yes or no? If you made it before then you should have no problem booting after a reimage.
If this is the case and you have problems booting then it is more likely that you have some inherent problem with the inbuilt Windows system imaging program and are best using a 3rd party imaging program such as free Macrium Reflect..

You can try using the Windows image restore again then run the startup repair option (from a system repair CD) up to 3 times booting between. This should fix up boot problems (MBR, bootmgr, BCD). There are other ways to fix up the MBR and boot files but try that first.


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30 Jan 2014   #12
Kaktussoft

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Was GRUB4DOS already in MBR at time of backup?
No, thank goodness! That image is my only way back to a booting system atm.

I've seen the Linux solutions while searching but the only Linux I have is a Puppy disk for accessing my files if ever necessary.
Don't understand. So you say you hadn't installed GRUB4DOS at the moment of backup? So of course it's not in the backup
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30 Jan 2014   #13
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

So what's the "not quite what I said" all about. You have a problem with your image. See my previous post (#11) on how you might resolve it if it is only a booting issue.
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30 Jan 2014   #14
Kaktussoft

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mjf View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by BJB View Post
Not quite what I said -

"After installing Grub4DOS as boot manager Win 7 booted normally, but when I then restored the System Image it failed to boot."
So what are you saying. My natural assumption is you made the Windows system image before installing Grub - yes or no? If you made it before then you should have no problem booting after a reimage.
If this is the case and you have problems booting then it is more likely that you have some inherent problem with the inbuilt Windows system imaging program and be using a 3rd party imaging program such as free Macrium Reflect..

You can try using the Windows image restore again then run the startup repair option (from a system repair CD) up to 3 times booting between. This should fix up boot problems (MBR, bootmgr, BCD). There are other ways to fix up the MBR and boot files but try that first.
startup repair and other win7 repair tools like bootrec/fixmbr overwrite the master boot code with the win7 default master boot code. That's what he likes to avoid.
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30 Jan 2014   #15
BJB

Windows 7 Pro 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mjf View Post
So what are you saying. My natural assumption is you made the Windows system image before installing Grub - yes or no?
Yes
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If you made it before then you should have no problem booting after a reimage.
I've tried it twice, hung at boot both times
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You can try using the Windows image restore again then run the startup repair option (from a system repair CD) up to 3 times booting between. This should fix up boot problems (MBR, bootmgr, BCD). There are other ways to fix up the MBR and boot files but try that first.
I did use a system repair disk the previous times but I'll give it a third go . Thanks for that.
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30 Jan 2014   #16
Kaktussoft

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Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bits 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by BJB View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mjf View Post
So what are you saying. My natural assumption is you made the Windows system image before installing Grub - yes or no?
Yes
Quote:
If you made it before then you should have no problem booting after a reimage.
I've tried it twice, hung at boot both times
Quote:
You can try using the Windows image restore again then run the startup repair option (from a system repair CD) up to 3 times booting between. This should fix up boot problems (MBR, bootmgr, BCD). There are other ways to fix up the MBR and boot files but try that first.
I did use a system repair disk the previous times but I'll give it a third go . Thanks for that.
So GRUB4DOS was definitely not in backup.
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I've tried it twice, hung at boot both times
What error did you get? Or freeze? Some grub or win7 related stuff on screen?
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30 Jan 2014   #17
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kaktussoft View Post
startup repair and other win7 repair tools like bootrec/fixmbr overwrite the master boot code with the win7 default master boot code. That's what he likes to avoid.
This is a one time suggestion to boot the desired Window image. Unless the Windows image is particularly important I'd scrap it since he has a working Acronis image. You need to be pragmatic about system imaging. If your PC configuration is experiencing problems with Windows inbuilt imaging then move on to another program (eg. Macrium Reflect).
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30 Jan 2014   #18
BJB

Windows 7 Pro 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kaktussoft View Post
What error did you get? Or freeze? Some grub or win7 related stuff on screen?
Just the Win 7 splash screen for about 30 seconds and a reboot. It didn't get near Windows so there won't be anything in Event Viewer
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30 Jan 2014   #19
BJB

Windows 7 Pro 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mjf View Post
This is a one time suggestion to boot the desired Window image. Unless the Windows image is particularly important I'd scrap it since he has a working Acronis image. You need to be pragmatic about system imaging. If your PC configuration is experiencing problems with Windows inbuilt imaging then move on to another program (eg. Macrium Reflect).
It won't be the end of the world if I can't use it as, as you say, I have an Acronis image. But I took three Windows Backup images at progressive intervals of a clean install and these could possibly have been useful in the future.

For routine system backups I'm perfectly happy with Acronis so no Macrium here

Thanks for the help
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30 Jan 2014   #20
Kaktussoft

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bits 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by BJB View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kaktussoft View Post
What error did you get? Or freeze? Some grub or win7 related stuff on screen?
Just the Win 7 splash screen for about 30 seconds and a reboot. It didn't get near Windows so there won't be anything in Event Viewer
So it did pass the win7 boot menu entry. So it was written by win7 bootmgr.

Win7 splash screen.... it was booting win7!!! No grub at all.... because it wasn't in backup.
I don't know why it rebooted. It did crash... without bsod dump I can't determine anything.

Problem seems unrelated to grub4dos
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