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Windows 7: New free imaging program

29 Jul 2014   #11
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Nigel, I agree with you. For the kind of users that you describe (and I guess those are the majority), this can be a useful tool.

I do worry though about this automatic creation of an additional partition. Most OEM NTFS systems are being shipped with 4 primary partitions - System, C, Recovery and Tools. Only the OEMs know why they would do such a stupid setup.

If AOMEI now tries to create an additional logical/extended partition, all 5 partitions will end up as dynamic partitions - and we all know what a pain that is not to speak of the 'simple' user who will be completely lost.

I think that point needs clarification and AOMEI should explain how they prevent this from happening.


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29 Jul 2014   #12
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

I expect this will happen:

It will need to find enough space, if not - it will just tell there isn't enough space, hard luck.

If there are already 4 primaries, and enough space, it will offer to create an extended partition, resulting in one of the existing primaries, and the recov partition being logical drives.

It will always tell you what the outcome will be before you agree to proceed.

In my case, I already had 4 partitions, one of them extended. So it just created another logical drive inside the existing extended partition. It did not attempt to convert to dynamic.

Nigel is spot on. Very useful for a large category of people.
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29 Jul 2014   #13
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi there

Some BIOSES and Laptops use F11 already -- The key should be perhaps say Windows +F11 or another key that isn't used in the BIOS. A compound key (i.e CTRL + H for example) IMO would avoid using BIOS Fn keys or accidental key presses that start the recovery process.

My Dad (who isn't a total newbie in computers) has on more than one occasion accidentally started a Recovery by pressing one of these "One Click Keys" -- and the first thing he thinks of when he sees the Recovery screen is that his computer needs to be fixed -- so instead of cancelling (via ESC - but typical users aren't usually aware of that quick exit) he lets the process continue.

Maybe there should be a "Nag menu" before the process starts : "Are you sure you really want to do this - Press enter to continue or any other key to boot Windows". Can't be difficult to add a few lines of code into the start up script.

Perhaps some of us just never try and logon as a normal user and test stuff assuming we are total idiots -- it's amazing how many shopping web sites I visit where the basic navigation is so hopeless you wonder who passed the site as fit for purpose.

Mind you I'm really GOOD at breaking systems -- even at work if something needs to be tested the I.T lot usually say - let jimbo loose on it - he'll break it before you've had time for a coffee. !!

@WHS the 5 partition thing doesn't have to be an issue - the software can use it's own format -- even a LINUX EXT4 or whatever partition -- since it's reading it's OWN data via it's own "mini-OS" it doesn't have to create a Windows readable partition in the first place - in fact it's better that it DOESN'T create a windows type partition - that way Windows can't hose it up whether intentionally or accidentally.

Linux and other type of partitions can co-exist on the same HDD quite normally.

Cheers
jimbo
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29 Jul 2014   #14
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
I expect this will happen:

It will need to find enough space, if not - it will just tell there isn't enough space, hard luck.

If there are already 4 primaries, and enough space, it will offer to create an extended partition, resulting in one of the existing primaries, and the recov partition being logical drives.

It will always tell you what the outcome will be before you agree to proceed.

In my case, I already had 4 partitions, one of them extended. So it just created another logical drive inside the existing extended partition. It did not attempt to convert to dynamic.

Nigel is spot on. Very useful for a large category of people.
This is a good scenario. But is it what AOMEI really does.

In your case it was easy. You already had an extended partition. Suggest you try with 4 primaries on the disk.
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29 Jul 2014   #15
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

Haven't got a spare disk to try it,unfortunately.

Might have a dig around and see if I can rustle one up.
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29 Jul 2014   #16
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x2 Windows 10 Enterprise x64, Ubuntu
 
 

I don't think the four primary partition limit should be a major issue - Even in multiboot scenarios.

Since Vista Windows does not require a Primary partition to run - As long as the System Boot partition is a primary partition the actual windows partitions can be a logical partitions

During the beta period of windows 7 I at one time had three different windows installs on a single secondary drive, so I know it's possible ....

New free imaging program-partitions.jpg

Not got a snip of the setup mentioned but have included one which shows an operating multiboot - Drive 1 has the three primaries in use, and is a four OS multiboot

System primary is running Vista, and the other two primaries, (at the far right of the image), are running a Linux (system and scratch), distro, (Ubuntu I think) which still required primary partitions but the two Beta Windows 7 Installs are happily running in logical drives in a secondary partition. Shortly after this snip I did move the system files to a new primary partition,( No4), expanded the secondary partition, into the free space and added another Win7 install. All this ran happily for quite a while - not recommended for the feint hearted but an interesting experiment.



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29 Jul 2014   #17
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

It is exactly as I outlined.

1) 4 Primaries, but not enough space - hard luck

New free imaging program-aok1.jpg


2) 4 Primaries, there is enough space, so ok it

New free imaging program-aok2.jpg

It shows you the result before you proceed.

New free imaging program-aok6.jpg

If you have 4 primaries, and enough space it creates extended partition. No problem at all.


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29 Jul 2014   #18
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Good, that seems to work. Thanks Simon.
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29 Jul 2014   #19
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Barman58 View Post
I can remember true incidents where users with under desk located towers were under the impression that the CD drawer was a drinks holder, It was quite amusing when a change to the way systems worked set an auto retract timer as default and a lot of hot drinks ended on the floor.

I don't think this is going to help these people. Even this approach requires some backup discipline. I can hear the comments "I didn't do the recovery thingy because it takes too much time".
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29 Jul 2014   #20
Tews

64-bit Windows 8.1 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mjf View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Barman58 View Post
I can remember true incidents where users with under desk located towers were under the impression that the CD drawer was a drinks holder, It was quite amusing when a change to the way systems worked set an auto retract timer as default and a lot of hot drinks ended on the floor.

I don't think this is going to help these people. Even this approach requires some backup discipline. I can hear the comments "I didn't do the recovery thingy because it takes too much time".
Ain't it the truth!
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