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Windows 7: Win7 system image backup advanced format compatibility

03 Aug 2014   #11
cyanna

windows 7 ultimate x64
 
 

If the laptop is new it should have USB3. Depending on model it might or might not have USB2 ports. The USB3 ports have a blue plastic bit inside , USB2 have black or white.





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03 Aug 2014   #12
bohr

 
 

The Lenovo Thinkpad Edge E545 (specified in OP) has 3 USB3 ports and 1 USB2 port.

I plugged the 1000GB USB drive into the USB2 port, and the Win7 System Repair Disk is now able to find the image I created earlier. Thanks for the tip. Would it be so difficult for the Microsoft software to tell me that?

I am not going to "test" the restore operation on this machine, because it does not belong to me.

I would, however, like to get some sort of estimate of the likelihood that it would actually work successfully, were it to be needed. In this context, "successfully" means no surprises, no hassles, no hair-pulling weirdness, no late-night hours pleading for help on the internet. For example, does it matter if the partitions on the laptop are not aligned on 4K boundaries? Stuff like that. Stuff that I don't even know to ask about.

Are there any fellow Clonezilla users reading this? Please share you experience using Clonezilla to make and restore images of 512e drives.
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03 Aug 2014   #13
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

What is this obsession with 512e?

I have used several imaging programs on mine without any issue. I haven't come across one yet that has a problem with it.
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03 Aug 2014   #14
cyanna

windows 7 ultimate x64
 
 

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does it matter if the partitions on the laptop are not aligned on 4K boundaries?
Quite probable. If you are using Windows any version post Vista will ensure correct formatting so this issue is unlikely to occur. If you format the disk using some linux flavor find a tutorial that explains how to correctly use fdisk (I'm not a linux user so I don't have any I can recommend)
Stuff I have learned the hard way:
-keep several backups. You have to move the one folder and two files inside a new folder named "Clean install" or "before SP install" or "6montly backup" or Windows backup will delete the old backups. Before you use the backup extract the files and folder for the one backup you want to use to the root of the drive.
-do not defragment a drive or partitions that contains backups, it's the most reliable method I know to corrupt a backup file. If you want them in one piece move them out and copy them back again
-if you only want to restore one partition have a recent, working backup of the rest of the disk. Deleting all partitions during the restore operation is a very common accident.
HERE is a pretty good tutorial on how to restore a backup, in particular make sure you are familiar with the comments in point 7 and below (keep a copy of the tutorial in printed format....)
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03 Aug 2014   #15
bohr

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
What is this obsession with 512e?
Merriam-Webster
OBSESSION
a persistent disturbing preoccupation with an often unreasonable idea or feeling

I'm going to assume you just picked the wrong word and didn't intend to be harsh and insulting.


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03 Aug 2014   #16
bohr

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by cyanna View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by tenacre View Post
does it matter if the partitions on the laptop are not aligned on 4K boundaries?
Quite probable.
OK, so... what other factors, that I don't yet know about, should I be aware of?


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If you format the disk using some linux flavor find a tutorial that explains how to correctly use fdisk
I have several Linux live CD's. I know how to examine and modify partitions in Linux. In fact, the next item on my to-do list for this machine is to boot Linux and confirm that the factory-installed partitions are indeed aligned on 4K boundaries. (If there's a way to see this info in Windows, I don't know how).

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(I'm not a linux user so I don't have any I can recommend)
I use and recommend DebianDog, PuppyPrecise, and LucidPuppy live CDs.

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Stuff I have learned the hard way:
-keep several backups. You have to move the one folder and two files inside a new folder named "Clean install" or "before SP install" or "6montly backup" or Windows backup will delete the old backups.
Yikes. Thanks for the heads-up. What are these "2 files" you have mentioned a couple of times now?


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If you want them in one piece move them out and copy them back again
Did you mean to say "move them out and move them back again?

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if you only want to restore one partition have a recent, working backup of the rest of the disk. Deleting all partitions during the restore operation is a very common accident
Can you describe the specific user error/misunderstanding that leads to this accident?

The Macrium fiasco I mentioned in an earlier post was like this: I had a disk with a system partition and a data partition. I had an image of the system partition. I wanted to restore the system image to the system partition and leave the data partition alone. I proceeded with great care, reading the fine print of every dialog screen. Macrium erased the data partition, without ever presenting a warning that it was going to do so. This was about 3 years ago, so they may have fixed it by now.


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03 Aug 2014   #17
bohr

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by cyanna View Post
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does it matter if the partitions on the laptop are not aligned on 4K boundaries?
Quite probable.
I just checked. Each of the 4 partitions starts on a 4K boundary. None of them end on a 4K boundary. I'm thinking the starting alignment is what matters. The ending does not have to be on 4K boundary?


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04 Aug 2014   #18
cyanna

windows 7 ultimate x64
 
 

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Yikes. Thanks for the heads-up. What are these "2 files" you have mentioned a couple of times now?
The backup creates a Windows Image Backup folder, a second folder that has a different icon and has the name you gave the backup when you created it and a file called MediaID.bin. These three elements have to be kept together for each backup and have to be at the root of the drive from which you want to restore.
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Did you mean to say "move them out and move them back again?
Yeah, sorry, I am paranoid about my backups so I move them to an online storage and then copy them back again because I leave a copy online.
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Can you describe the specific user error/misunderstanding that leads to this accident?
Did you read the tutorial I linked to? Miss or misinterpret any of the tick boxes in step 7, 8 and /or 9 (depending on what you want to do) and you are in for a surprise at next reboot
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04 Aug 2014   #19
bohr

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by cyanna View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bohr
Yikes. Thanks for the heads-up. What are these "2 files" you have mentioned a couple of times now?
The backup creates a Windows Image Backup folder, a second folder that has a different icon and has the name you gave the backup when you created it and a file called MediaID.bin.
The Win7 image backup process created only one folder, at the root, named WindowsImageBackup. It never asked me for a name. Here is the complete dir/s listing:


Code:
H:\>dir
 Volume in drive H is Seagate 1000G

 Directory of H:\

07/31/2014  01:25 PM    <DIR>          Clonezilla
02/11/2009  03:06 PM            44,902 FreeAgentDesktopNext.ico
03/24/2009  01:42 AM    <DIR>          Seagate
01/16/2009  04:14 AM           156,312 Setup.exe
08/01/2014  02:03 AM    <DIR>          WindowsImageBackup


H:\>cd WindowsImageBackup

H:\WindowsImageBackup>dir/s

 Directory of H:\WindowsImageBackup

08/01/2014  02:03 AM    <DIR>          .
08/01/2014  02:03 AM    <DIR>          ..
08/01/2014  02:25 AM    <DIR>          Lenny


 Directory of H:\WindowsImageBackup\Lenny

08/01/2014  02:25 AM    <DIR>          .
08/01/2014  02:25 AM    <DIR>          ..
08/01/2014  02:25 AM    <DIR>          Backup 2014-08-01 060220
08/01/2014  02:25 AM    <DIR>          Catalog
08/01/2014  02:03 AM                16 MediaId
08/01/2014  02:25 AM    <DIR>          SPPMetadataCache
               1 File(s)             16 bytes

 Directory of H:\WindowsImageBackup\Lenny\Backup 2014-08-01 060220

08/01/2014  02:25 AM    <DIR>          .
08/01/2014  02:25 AM    <DIR>          ..
08/01/2014  02:03 AM       367,096,832 6c6e2157-fabb-11e3-9aa5-806e6f6e6963.vhd
08/01/2014  02:19 AM    32,092,264,960 6c6e2158-fabb-11e3-9aa5-806e6f6e6963.vhd
08/01/2014  02:25 AM    14,073,267,712 6c6e2159-fabb-11e3-9aa5-806e6f6e6963.vhd
08/01/2014  02:25 AM             1,078 854f1511-6769-40c5-ade8-76c395ae305d_AdditionalFilesc3b9f3c7-5e52-4d5e-8b20-19adc95a34c7.xml
08/01/2014  02:25 AM            14,842 854f1511-6769-40c5-ade8-76c395ae305d_Components.xml
08/01/2014  02:25 AM             6,542 854f1511-6769-40c5-ade8-76c395ae305d_RegistryExcludes.xml
08/01/2014  02:25 AM             3,978 854f1511-6769-40c5-ade8-76c395ae305d_Writer4dc3bdd4-ab48-4d07-adb0-3bee2926fd7f.xml
08/01/2014  02:25 AM             1,488 854f1511-6769-40c5-ade8-76c395ae305d_Writer542da469-d3e1-473c-9f4f-7847f01fc64f.xml
08/01/2014  02:25 AM             1,484 854f1511-6769-40c5-ade8-76c395ae305d_Writera6ad56c2-b509-4e6c-bb19-49d8f43532f0.xml
08/01/2014  02:25 AM             3,844 854f1511-6769-40c5-ade8-76c395ae305d_Writerafbab4a2-367d-4d15-a586-71dbb18f8485.xml
08/01/2014  02:25 AM             6,430 854f1511-6769-40c5-ade8-76c395ae305d_Writerbe000cbe-11fe-4426-9c58-531aa6355fc4.xml
08/01/2014  02:25 AM             7,110 854f1511-6769-40c5-ade8-76c395ae305d_Writercd3f2362-8bef-46c7-9181-d62844cdc0b2.xml
08/01/2014  02:25 AM         4,106,116 854f1511-6769-40c5-ade8-76c395ae305d_Writere8132975-6f93-4464-a53e-1050253ae220.xml
08/01/2014  02:25 AM             1,620 BackupSpecs.xml
              14 File(s) 46,536,784,036 bytes

 Directory of H:\WindowsImageBackup\Lenny\Catalog

08/01/2014  02:25 AM    <DIR>          .
08/01/2014  02:25 AM    <DIR>          ..
08/01/2014  02:03 AM             6,480 BackupGlobalCatalog
08/01/2014  02:25 AM             8,540 GlobalCatalog
               2 File(s)         15,020 bytes

 Directory of H:\WindowsImageBackup\Lenny\SPPMetadataCache

08/01/2014  02:25 AM    <DIR>          .
08/01/2014  02:25 AM    <DIR>          ..
08/01/2014  02:25 AM            91,648 {854f1511-6769-40c5-ade8-76c395ae305d}
               1 File(s)         91,648 bytes

     Total Files Listed:
              18 File(s) 46,536,890,720 bytes
              14 Dir(s)  265,100,197,888 bytes free

H:\WindowsImageBackup>
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06 Aug 2014   #20
cyanna

windows 7 ultimate x64
 
 

Sorry, been a bit busy: A backup that contains a system image will create 3 things: a normal folder named Windows Backup, a special folder that has your computer name and a different icon that the usual folders and a Media.bin file
If you have not ticked the box to create a system image "All files in known system folders (folders that contain files that Windows needs to run), and known program files (files that define themselves as part of a program in the registry when the program is installed) will not be backed up even if they are in a selected folder."
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