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Windows 7: Win7 system image backup advanced format compatibility

02 Aug 2014   #1
bohr

 
 
Win7 system image backup advanced format compatibility

Hello.

Lenovo ThinkPad Edge E545 laptop with 64bit Win7 Pro SP1 pre-installed;
hard disk:
WDC WD3200LPVX-08V0TT5 320GB
firmware 05.01A05
512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical (I think this is called Advanced Format "512e")
5400 rpm
SATA 3.0, 6.0 Gb/s

Questions:

For the system described above, which of the following combinations will reliably create a usable (restorable) system image backup?

1) Win7 backup and restore using a Seagate FreeAgent 1000GB external USB drive*?

2) Win7 backup and restore using a Seagate STCP3000100 3TB external USB drive?

3) Clonezilla 2.2.3-25-i686-pae using a Seagate FreeAgent 1000GB external USB drive*?

4) Clonezilla 2.2.3-25-i686-pae using a Seagate STCP3000100 3TB external USB drive?

Thank you.

* more info on Seagate FreeAgent 1000GB external USB drive:
Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 1TB
ST31000528AS
firmware CC35
512 bytes per sector logical/physical
ATA version ATA8-ACS T13/1699-D revision4
SATA 2.6 3.0 Gb/s


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02 Aug 2014   #2
cyanna

windows 7 ultimate x64
 
 

The 3 GB options are too small.
If all you have is one partition go for Windows 7 backup, clonezilla sometimes causes errors on boot after restore and you might need to perform a "start up repair"
This being said it is not a good idea to have a 360GB partition. Backups are going to be very large! My preferred option is to keep 60GB for the OS, have 100-150 GB for my personal files (docs, pics, music, outlook and FF backups) and leave the rest for other stuff (I have a large collection of software and CD/DVD images, I move the downloads and temp folders out of the OS partition....). This permits smaller backups and different backup schedules for the OS (monthly) and my personal files (daily). Also if the OS goes for whatever reason you still have your personal files. You can connect the drive to another computer and you are back in business.
If you do partition you might want to consider another solution entirely, for example Macrium Reflect free. Windows 7 backup can end up wiping all your partitions when you restore if you don't pay attention to the options during the restore process.
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02 Aug 2014   #3
bohr

 
 

Thank you for your reply. Please see embedded comments:

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by cyanna View Post
The 3 GB options are too small.

Could you please explain what you mean by that? If you meant too few options, what other options would you suggest?

clonezilla sometimes causes errors on boot after restore and you might need to perform a "start up repair"

? I have used Clonezilla for many years making system backup images from 512-to-512 (bytes per sector) drives and never encountered that problem


This being said it is not a good idea to have a 360GB partition.

There are 4 partitions:

1) SYSTEM_DRV NTFS 1.46GB
2) Windows7_OS NTFS 49 GB
3) Data NTFS 230GB
4) Lenovo_Recovery NTFS 18GB



If all you have is one partition go for Windows 7 backup,

Are you sure that Win7 Backup works with Advanced Format 512e disks??

If you do partition you might want to consider another solution entirely, for example Macrium Reflect free. Windows 7 backup can end up wiping all your partitions when you restore if you don't pay attention to the options during the restore process.

So can Macrium, it happened to me. And I was paying very close attention to the options. It gave me no warning, and wiped out my data partition.

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02 Aug 2014   #4
cyanna

windows 7 ultimate x64
 
 

1. THE RED TEXT IS SUPER ANNOYING!
2. You can't back up a 360GB drive on a 3GB backup drive
3. Good for you re clonezilla, I expect you have your answer.....
4. W7 backup of 512e drives: yep. See HERE
5. If it happened with Macrium then definitely don't go for win 7 backup
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02 Aug 2014   #5
bohr

 
 

Comments embedded below:

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by cyanna View Post
1. THE RED TEXT IS SUPER ANNOYING!

Sorry about that

2. You can't back up a 360GB drive on a 3GB backup drive

That was obviously a typo. It's a 3TB drive.

3. Good for you re clonezilla, I expect you have your answer.....

No, I don't have the answer to the question I asked, which involves a 512e drive. All my experience with Clonezilla has been with 512 physical sector drives.

4. W7 backup of 512e drives: yep. See HERE

Well we all know we can trust Microsoft, right? I went ahead and made a system image with Win7 on the 1000GB USB drive. Then I tried to restore from it... and Win7 could not find the image it had just made.

5. If it happened with Macrium then definitely don't go for win 7 backup

What's the connection?

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03 Aug 2014   #6
cyanna

windows 7 ultimate x64
 
 

W7 can't find the image or the USB hard drive? Most common cause for not found image is because the user has moved or renamed the backup folder.
How were you trying to restore: from within windows? Booting from recovery CD? Booting from W7 DVD?

Macrium v W7 Backup: It's much easier to delete all partitions using W7 backup than using Macrium
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03 Aug 2014   #7
bohr

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by cyanna View Post
W7 can't find the image or the USB hard drive?
Can't find the USB drive. The same one it had no problem finding when it made the system image.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by cyanna View Post
How were you trying to restore: from within windows? Booting from recovery CD? Booting from W7 DVD?
Boot from "Win7 64bit System Repair Disk" that I made using Win7 on the same machine.
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03 Aug 2014   #8
bohr

 
 

Question for Clonezilla users:

I have a laptop with 64bit Win7 Pro SP1 pre-installed on a 512e drive (4096 byte physical sectors, 512 logical sectors).

I have a 1000GB USB2 external drive with 512 byte physical sectors.

I have a Clonezilla 2.2.3-25-i686-pae boot CD.

Using the laptop as the source and the USB drive as the destination, I want to create a backup image of the system partition.

Then using the USB drive as the source and the laptop as the destination, I want to restore that system partition image.

Please share your experience if you have used Clonezilla to do this.

TL;DR:
backup system partition on 512e drive to image on 512 drive, then
restore image on 512 drive to system partition on 512e drive

Thank you.
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03 Aug 2014   #9
cyanna

windows 7 ultimate x64
 
 

If you have not renamed or moved or added to the folder and two files created by Windows backup, make sure the USB drive is not plugged in a USB3 port. Windows has drivers for USB3 but the system repair disc doesn't.
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03 Aug 2014   #10
bohr

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by cyanna View Post
If you have not renamed or moved or added to the folder and two files created by Windows backup, make sure the USB drive is not plugged in a USB3 port. Windows has drivers for USB3 but the system repair disc doesn't.
I have not renamed or moved or added to the folder or files that Windows created.

Reading between the lines, it sounds like you are telling me that Windows created a System Repair Disk that will not work on the very computer on which it was created.

Either that, or you are saying that my brand-new laptop has both USB3 and USB2 ports. In which case, how do I tell which is which?


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