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Windows 7: Macrium Reflect How Do I Use It?

05 Feb 2015   #11
XP VM User

Windows7 Professional 64bit
 
 
Shorter replies!

Hi lehnerus2000:

Concetrating on this part... to keep it short...

You said:
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
If you image an empty drive the file size of the image will be tiny (if not zero).
With the standard Macrium settings your OS image will be ~50% of the size of your actual install.
So my new WD HDD just has the standard WD programs on it (not erased I just put them in one folder for convenience in finding them again if I should need one of their utilities when Drive gets older---otherwise they are about 500MB? in size, so drive is not "empty".

My question derives from how I understand read/write processes (old knowledge) that it begins from the center of the drive outwards.. the center part being the one that has the MBR on it. (I kept this part from being 10 pages long but my summary may be faulty---I know how it works, can't explain better in one sentence)

So I am worried, that even if I mistakingly copy just "nothing" or 500 MB of programs back into the Laptop HDD, it will begin at the center and record outward, destroying the MBR and ability to use that drive, can't anyone see that? Or is my knowledge of how drives record over data wrong?

Remember----all these programs (see online manual of Macrium) indicate they will "warn you" if they are copying over data! So no matter which way it goes since there is "data" on both drives (500 MB new one, 140 GB on old) I will get the warning... but the screens are not clear as to which way I'm doing the copying------

.............that's the point.... . "the Macrium Summary Screens are not clear as to which way I'm doing the copying over" so accidental erasure of the Source Drive is potentially possible!!! Especially on the first try (after that I should get the hang of things).....

Ending shorter posting here.. leaving other comments for later...

Thanks!


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05 Feb 2015   #12
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Windows7 Professional 64bit
 
 
Separate response to spare drives comment

Hi lehnerus2000:

Short response to your

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
I realise not every one has spare working HDDs lying around (I don't).
If you create the Macrium PE disc and store your image on a different physical HDD to your OS, then you can physically disconnect your OS HDD and it will be safe from any changes.
So while I do have a "spare" drive.... its tied up at the moment almost full (400 GB) with my "one year old" backup of Norton Ghost---I can't access it as no Norton Ghost on this laptop anymore----but for money I'm certain someone can---so its my backup in case everything goes wrong here..... but then I get one chance like I described in prior post to make the error.... if I accidentally erase the whole Laptop HDD (not the whole! one I know but I'll be corrupting at least 500 MB randomly of it and maybe its MBR maybe its the Windows .ini or boot file or whatever, and it does not work after that I need to come up with the money to get the 1 yr old drive replaced back into the Laptop...

Even if I take a chance and that all occurs....

I'm right back here on Forum again... having one backup a year old---- and one inside the Laptop now a year old---lost 1 year of everything done---no backup to it.....

So once I make the backup on the new HDD I can do the same process on the Norton HDD (Smaller one) and make one extra backup I'll always keep detached safely on a shelf away from the Laptop (I usually keep them all detached)

Ok, enough typing!

Thanks for reading this too....
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05 Feb 2015   #13
XP VM User

Windows7 Professional 64bit
 
 
Concerning Post #9 by whs

Re Post #9, for all those following this thread....

Thanks whs for the re-posting of the video... its VERY helpful, no doubt about that... I just have this one concern that the video can't answer not because of your efforts, but because of the nature of the screens and reporting/summary screens of Macrium v5.

I've been told that v4 had a better screen that would have addressed my issue, but I did not get or use the earlier version, so this is my first experience with Macrium, I hope you understand...

So again, for those who may be reading this in the future, please see and use whs' s Posted Links in #9, its really good and helpful in addition to the standard stuff on the Macrium online manual.

I think Lady Fitzgerald edited the link so it shows v5 only now, so no errors in that....

Thanks!
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05 Feb 2015   #14
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by XP VM User View Post
My question derives from how I understand read/write processes (old knowledge) that it begins from the center of the drive outwards.. the center part being the one that has the MBR on it.
No. The MBR is on the first sector, first track for what it matters.
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05 Feb 2015   #15
XP VM User

Windows7 Professional 64bit
 
 
Thank you!

Thank you mjf for the correction.

I got to figure out how to update old knowledge....
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05 Feb 2015   #16
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

I think you confused MBR and MFT which indeed is somewhere in the middle of a partition.
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05 Feb 2015   #17
DavidE

Multi-Boot W7_Pro_x64 W8.1_Pro_x64 W10_Pro_x64
 
 

When you create a Backup Image, you select the Source and Destination.
The Source is where you are copying from.
The Destination is where you are copying to.

Every backup program has this basic concept.

Do you understand copy from/to ?

In my screen print example, I am creating a backup image of my Win 8.1 partition (Source) and saving the image to a folder on my Backup HD (Destination) ...

Macrium Reflect How Do I Use It?-macrium_01.png


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05 Feb 2015   #18
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

How old the knowledge is doesn't matter.
If one follows DavidE post #17 the programs does all the work.

Years ago doing a backup took a lot of user input but today the program does the work for you.

You just tell the program to copy this (C)
Put copy of (C) here (F)

In a few minutes (Done)

Don't you just love it.
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05 Feb 2015   #19
XP VM User

Windows7 Professional 64bit
 
 
Quick reply to Layback Bear before I do others that take longer

Hi Layback Bear!

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
How old the knowledge is doesn't matter.
Thanks! Makes me feel better (not as old fashioned)....

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
If one follows DavidE post #17 the programs does all the work.
Yes, I'm responding to his very informative post with many items I'm happy he is showing me so I can comment on the and maybe solve everything...

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
Years ago doing a backup took a lot of user input but today the program does the work for you.
Yes, I'm aware of this, I've had many versions of Norton Ghost, from a totally DOS line by line entry version to latest v15 where it can be scheduled to do everything in background and just never have to think about it... I've done it all.... just now with Macrium its somehow different than I'm used to.... can't find the items I'm looking for on its screens...=confusing!

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
You just tell the program to copy this (C)
Put copy of (C) here (F)

In a few minutes (Done)
Yes (hoping others are reading this...Thanks everyone for highly recommending the program, I know its going to work, when I learn how....

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
Don't you just love it.
Everything but the final "Summary" screen which of course is not my famliar Norton Ghost with a clear "Source Drive" "Target Drive" in the summary....
Maybe you're not seeing what I see... I will go over DavidE's presentation and describe it better. HOPEFULLY I'll type shorter so everyone can read it and help.


Thanks again (I think I have to wait for 10 other reps to do yours again, but I'll record this number post and come back later to it)
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05 Feb 2015   #20
XP VM User

Windows7 Professional 64bit
 
 
Sorry it turned into a longer posting when I used all your quoted word

Hi DavidE:

Thanks for your very clear presentation..

I'll keep it short (may mean you don't get the point of my comments, but that is what happens when I type shorter/edited material)

You said: and posted screen shot images:

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DavidE View Post
When you create a Backup Image, you select the Source and Destination.
The Source is where you are copying from.
The Destination is where you are copying to.

Every backup program has this basic concept.
Of course I understand... Been doing it for decades now that way....

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DavidE View Post
Do you understand copy from/to ?
Yes, I know how to do most of the computer tasks (manual and automated, clipboard too if that is what you mean here)

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DavidE View Post
In my screen print example, I am creating a backup image of my Win 8.1 partition (Source) and saving the image to a folder on my Backup HD (Destination) ...
NO problem I get it.... But on my example... I have one check box to the left of the "DISK 0" [your Disk 1 in screenshot ] just like you do... and each of the boxes under each one of the partitions I have checked to make copies too...

But what totally throws me here...

Is that no where on that diagram do you see (visually or otherwise) the mysterious "F" Drive (I assume its your external HDD somewhere) that all of this is going to !

That is what concerns me....

Especially when I have not gone beyond that back and forth early screens as the Summary Screens I get are confusing as to whether it is the Source Drive I'm copying FROM

Or is it the SOURCE Drive I'm copying TO!

I know I can check off what the little boxes and blue underline (see my own Screenshots 2,3,4 earlier in Post # 1 )

I know I can do click on to next screen...

But what I clicked on and what I read are confusing me...

I wish it had a summary screen with more clarity (Like I saw in v 4 no longer available).

That is closer to my older Norton Ghost Summary Screen... which clearly indicated not only where everything was coming FROM but exactly where it was going TO

and due to its advanced techniques, it gave me hours to completion before I press the "ACTION/GO" button that sets it in motion..

This is not occurring here... if I see 10 seconds time, I'd know before I press the button that somewhere I messed it up and copying over just a few MB from almost empty drive as the INCORRECT SOURCE DRIVE to the INCORRECT TARGET drive is going to take shorter time than the real 470 GB drive would....

Ok, stopping to see what you think of that....

Thanks again (I'm certain your explanations here will help others trying to do this too so its definitely excellent... I just needed some more confirmation from the program) not somthing you can do without reprogramming it!)

I'm going to do it...

after these threads are completed...

just figuring out what is the first one I do....

Thanks.
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