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Windows 7: Backing up before 10 upgrade

25 Jun 2015   #11
datapod

Windows 10 Professional 64bit.
 
 

Being in exactly the same position I can tell you what I plan to do.

Using an external USB caddy I am making a clone of my Windows 7 System drive using Macrium Reflect Free Edition to a similar 3.5" internal desktop HDD.

Should the Windows 10 upgrade go south or I decide I don't care for it (I am skeptical as I really like Windows 7 and not unlike a lot of folks I suspect resist change) I can simply physically swap the newly upgraded drive for the clone and be back on Windows 7 in minutes.

That coupled with my regular backup strategy of Macrium images to multiple locations, Syncback copies of personal user files (documents, pictures, music) and KLS Mail Backup for my WLM files I feel pretty confident going forward.

HTH

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25 Jun 2015   #12
CJW

7 Pro. 64Bit w/SP1
 
 

I've read about a few of those external USB caddies. Do they need an external power source or are they powered by the USB cable connected to the computer itself?
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25 Jun 2015   #13
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by CJW View Post
I've read about a few of those external USB caddies. Do they need an external power source or are they powered by the USB cable connected to the computer itself?
It depends on the type of HDD used in the dock. 3.5" docks always have to be powered by an external power supply. 2.5" docks can get their power from the USB with some caveats.

When using USB 2.0 docks, the power has to be taken from two independent USB 2.0 ports, using a special cable that is almost always provided, to get enough power to run the HDD. If the two USB 2.0 ports share a single power source, such as a self-powered hub would, then it cannot get enough power to run a HDD. Sometimes, a single USB 3.0 port can supply enough power.

When using USB 3.0, the power from a single USB 3.0 usually will run a 5400 rpm HDD (some cheaper portable computers may not supply enough power from a single port). 7200 rpm HDDs require more power and getting them to run on a single USB 3.0 port is iffy at best. I had to search high and low to find a special cable to run my 2.5" 7200 rpm WD Blacks off a pair of USB 3.0 ports.
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25 Jun 2015   #14
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

I'm wondering if you upgrade to Windows 10 then decide to revert to Windows 7 with a system image restore could you have activation issues? Does it depend on whether you installed an OEM or full retail OS?
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25 Jun 2015   #15
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

That's something that still needs clearing up plus MS keeps changing the "rules".
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25 Jun 2015   #16
ignatzatsonic

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mjf View Post
I'm wondering if you upgrade to Windows 10 then decide to revert to Windows 7 with a system image restore could you have activation issues? Does it depend on whether you installed an OEM or full retail OS?
Maybe 2 weeks ago, possibly on a MS site, I read something to the following effect, paraphrased from memory:

If you have 7 and "free upgrade" to 10, you can later revert to 7, BUT, to do so you will have to interact with the MS "store" to effectively re-authorize your old Win 7 key. The info regarding the old key is kept at the "store".

So, I'm wondering if that is doable with a purely "local account" installation? Because I've also read that at least some aspects of the "store", such as purchasing applications, require a non-local account.

I don't know how all of that affects restoration by image.
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09 Aug 2015   #17
CJW

7 Pro. 64Bit w/SP1
 
 

Hello everyone, had some other computer-related (& car) issues to deal with, but all is well now.
So back to my original posting.

What I want to do is this:
In the future, upgrade to 10. But if I don't care for it/it doesn't work for me, I want to be able to swap out my Hard Drive for another & be back to exactly where I am now w/7.

Using Macrium Reflect Free, what route should I take to accomplish this? Backup, Image or Clone?
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09 Aug 2015   #18
ignatzatsonic

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by CJW View Post
Hello everyone, had some other computer-related (& car) issues to deal with, but all is well now.
So back to my original posting.

What I want to do is this:
In the future, upgrade to 10. But if I don't care for it/it doesn't work for me, I want to be able to swap out my Hard Drive for another & be back to exactly where I am now w/7.

Using Macrium Reflect Free, what route should I take to accomplish this? Backup, Image or Clone?
Image, to include your C partition and possibly other partitions. Either in a single image file or in a separate file for each.

Cloning isn't a backup.

Backup is a vague and non-specific term.

BUT: you say "swap out my hard drive"...........

I don't follow that. Typically, if you wanted to go back to an earlier OS and your hard drive was still working, you would not swap out a hard drive. You'd restore to the same hard drive.

Suppose you have a drive X.

You can't put the free upgrade on drive X without first putting a qualifying version of an earlier Windows operating system on drive X.

If you wanted to have drive X with Windows 10 and drive Y with Windows 7 and swap back and forth, you'd have to buy Windows 10, rather than use the free upgrade.
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09 Aug 2015   #19
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by CJW View Post
Hello everyone, had some other computer-related (& car) issues to deal with, but all is well now.
So back to my original posting.

What I want to do is this:
In the future, upgrade to 10. But if I don't care for it/it doesn't work for me, I want to be able to swap out my Hard Drive for another & be back to exactly where I am now w/7.

Using Macrium Reflect Free, what route should I take to accomplish this? Backup, Image or Clone?
First, some definitions. A backup is basically a copy of some sort of your data that can used restore lost data. Both cloning and imaging are forms of backups.

A clone is an exact copy of the source drive on another drive. It's like using using a copy machine to make a copy of a document directly onto another piece of paper. While cloning is excellent for transferring data fram a drive to one that will replace the first drive, it's not the most efficient form of backup.

Imaging is used to restore data back to a drive without having to replace it. It's like making a photo negative that is then used to make a print. Imaging usually is a more efficient way to backup a drive.

There are other kinds of backups but, for purposes of this discussion, we will ignore them.

If you are wanting to physically replace drive you have downgraded to Win 10 with a copy of the drive before the downgrade, then the easiest way to prepare for that would be to use Macrium Reflect to clone your current drive to another drive, then do the downgrade on the original drive. Depending how much data is on the drive and how difficult it is to get at your drive in your computer, it probably would be the fastest and easiest way to get back to the original OS.
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16 Aug 2015   #20
CJW

7 Pro. 64Bit w/SP1
 
 

So from what I want to do (go back to 7 if 10 is not what I want) I should use Imaging.

Now I'm a little confused on this part.
Once I create the image, is it stored on my main drive or do I store it on a separate drive?
I think that's what my confusion is centered on & what I meant by 'swap-out'. I thought I could image to another drive (& then remove it), update my main drive & if I don't like 10, just take out my main drive & put in the imaged drive & be back to pre-10.
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