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Windows 7: System image, clone, and restore points

27 May 2016   #51
betaupsilon

Windows 7 Home Prem 32 bit
 
 

Well after all the consternation of spinning my wheels with MACRIUM I tried CLONEZILLA & it appears I got it to work on the 1st try. I have no idea why I could not get MACRIUM to work.


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27 May 2016   #52
DavidE

Multi-Boot W7_Pro_x64 W8.1_Pro_x64 W10_Pro_x64
 
 

One of the issues reported is that Macrium uses VSS and that can be a problem for restore points.
Maybe CLONEZILLA doesn't use VSS and that's why it worked.

Glad to hear you got it solved
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27 May 2016   #53
betaupsilon

Windows 7 Home Prem 32 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DavidE View Post
One of the issues reported is that Macrium uses VSS and that can be a problem for restore points.
Maybe CLONEZILLA doesn't use VSS and that's why it worked.

Glad to hear you got it solved
But when you run MACRIUM in the WIN PE or WIN RE mode is the VSS not disabled?
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27 May 2016   #54
DavidE

Multi-Boot W7_Pro_x64 W8.1_Pro_x64 W10_Pro_x64
 
 

Good question, but i don't know how to see if Macrium somehow uses VSS when running Win PE.
When I run Macrium from Windows, i can see VSS is running in Task Manager and Process Explorer.
I don't know how to see all the processes running when i boot the PC with Macrium.

I played with EaseUS Todo Backup.
I see that program doesn't use VSS, it uses VDS.exe (Virtual Disk Service).
You could try EaseUS Todo and see if it creates an image with restore points for you.
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27 May 2016   #55
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

My understanding was and is that betaupsilon is trying to create a Clone which doesn't use Win PE.

A Clone is what my methods was use for, as per the title of the thread.
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27 May 2016   #56
betaupsilon

Windows 7 Home Prem 32 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
My understanding was and is that betaupsilon is trying to create a Clone which doesn't use Win PE.

A Clone is what my methods was use for, as per the title of the thread.
The clone does not run using WIN PE. You run MACRIUM in the WIN PE OS to create the clone which runs WINDOWS or LINUX or whatever. Running MACRIUM in WIN PE would presumably disable VSS from running. How you managed to run MACRIUM in WINDOWS to create your clone & manage to preserve your older RESTORE PTS is perplexing.
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27 May 2016   #57
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by betaupsilon View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
My understanding was and is that betaupsilon is trying to create a Clone which doesn't use Win PE.

A Clone is what my methods was use for, as per the title of the thread.
The clone does not run using WIN PE. You run MACRIUM in the WIN PE OS to create the clone which runs WINDOWS or LINUX or whatever. Running MACRIUM in WIN PE would presumably disable VSS from running. How you managed to run MACRIUM in WINDOWS to create your clone & manage to preserve your older RESTORE PTS is perplexing.
Twice I have successfully cloned the original HDD of a notebook to an SSD while running Macrium Reflect from the C: drive of the notebook. Both times, the clone worked perfectly when I replaced the original HDD with the SSD clone.
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27 May 2016   #58
betaupsilon

Windows 7 Home Prem 32 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post

Twice I have successfully cloned the original HDD of a notebook to an SSD while running Macrium Reflect from the C: drive of the notebook. Both times, the clone worked perfectly when I replaced the original HDD with the SSD clone.
I am sure you did, but did your old RESTORE PTS transfer over? Check next time. If they do I would like to hear about it & the exact procedure you employed.
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27 May 2016   #59
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by betaupsilon View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post

Twice I have successfully cloned the original HDD of a notebook to an SSD while running Macrium Reflect from the C: drive of the notebook. Both times, the clone worked perfectly when I replaced the original HDD with the SSD clone.
I am sure you did, but did your old RESTORE PTS transfer over? Check next time. If they do I would like to hear about it & the exact procedure you employed.
There is no way for me to know (and, frankly, I don't give north end of a southbound furry little rodent) because I've never been able to get stupid System Restore to work on any of my Win 7 machines (it only worked about half of the time in XP). I depend on imaging instead since it has been 100% reliable.

Besides, the point I was making when I posted was that it is possible to clone a C: disk or partition from the Macrium Reflect installation on the same disk/partition. One doesn't need to use Win PE to make the clone.
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28 May 2016   #60
DavidE

Multi-Boot W7_Pro_x64 W8.1_Pro_x64 W10_Pro_x64
 
 

@betaupsilon

There is a default Macrium registry key to exclude Restore Points from Macrium IMAGES.
I don't know, but i wonder if this key is also used for CLONING.

I enabled Restore Points.
I deleted the reg key to exclude Macrium Restore Points, created a backup image, and i now see Restore Points included in the backup image.
I don't know if they work, i just see they are in the backup image after i deleted the reg key.

It's up to you if you want to test this with cloning and verify the restore points (if included) do work.

WARNING:
You or anyone should be prepared to recover from problems, if you make registry changes.
Make sure you have a reliable recovery plan before making registry changes.

Here is a Macrium V5 forum thread about this:
Macrium Support Forum - Exclude files from Disk Image
This key is in my OS's with Macrium V6.

Here is a screen print of the registry key:

System image, clone, and restore points-macriumregkey.png

Now i have to restore the reg key, turn off SR, and delete my test images


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