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Windows 7: Imaging To an Identical SSD, Question

18 Aug 2016   #11
2therock

Win 10 Pro 64x
 
 

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Unless you say otherwise specifically, I'm going to assume that Disk 0 in that screen shot contains NO personal files and that it holds ONLY Windows and installed applications. And that you do NOT have any programs installed anywhere except C.
Is that correct?
Correct
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Which of that pile of hard drives in the pic contains your "original" data files? If they are on disk 0, partition C, are you married to that idea--as opposed to putting them on another drive?
Everything is on my disk 0 - AKA C:\. No not married to this, just not savvy enough to relocate them. Would love to hear why you ask.
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You refer to all those other drives as "spares" and yet they obviously contain something. We don't know what as you haven't said.
At this point all my drives other than the C: are spares.
On the (W)the data is from my Genie Backup Manager 9 Pro (GBM9). I'm not married to GBM9, I have had it a while and just ran it to see how it worked.
On the (X) is my EaseUS Todo maiden run. I'm willing to hear what you have for suggestions. I have a feeling you can optimize me.
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The best way to "back up" your Windows installation and all applications installed on C is to back up ALL partitions on Disk 0. Most likely, there's a partition or two on Disk 0 that are not shown in that pic.
I had more partitions shown right after installation but used Minitool Partition Wizard Free to merge them leaving me just the two.
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I'd just use Macrium. It has a choice named something like "back up all partitions necessary to restore Windows". You poke that choice and let it make a single image file that represented ALL of the partitions on disk 0 in a single file
I tried Macrium and it was not so smooth going for me. It took FOREVER to download the WinPE stuff. And then as you can guess I was overwhelmed with all the choices. But I winged it and got a verification failure and the access denied thing thats supposed to be a benign error but I did not feel secure. I was not up to purchasing so I could get support to fix something. But from what I read around the Webb its one of the best so its me I guess.
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How many GB does ALL, I say ALL of your data occupy?? Not "backups", just the original data, excluding Windows and installed applications?
I backed up to (W) using GBM9 uncompressed - My downloads, docs, pics, Videos, and Outlook coming to 459GB. It was more as shown in the screen shot but I just deleted some duplicates.
I hope I answered this correctly, let me know.

I have so many drives because I did covert video surveillance for three years and had to store all the data untouched for legal purposes. The videos I processed (editing out all the non-relevant) on other drives. Now I'm a simple home user with several drives to make use of and want to have a good backup system.
Please keep asking. FYI I work evenings so my replies may come at odd hours.
Thanks!


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18 Aug 2016   #12
ignatzatsonic

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by 2therock View Post
Quote:
Unless you say otherwise specifically, I'm going to assume that Disk 0 in that screen shot contains NO personal files and that it holds ONLY Windows and installed applications. And that you do NOT have any programs installed anywhere except C.
Is that correct?
Correct

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Which of that pile of hard drives in the pic contains your "original" data files? If they are on disk 0, partition C, are you married to that idea--as opposed to putting them on another drive?
Everything is on my disk 0 - AKA C:\.
I remain confused.

In my first quote above, I said I assumed disk 0 contained NO personal files and holds only Windows and applications. I asked you if that was correct.

You replied "Correct".

I then asked which of those drives contained your original data and you say that "Everything is on my disk 0 - AKA C:\."

I don't see how both of your statements can be true--that disk 0 simultaneously contains no personal data files and "Everything".

Never mind what tool to use for right now.

The more important point is precisely WHAT you want to back up and precisely WHERE that stuff now is.

I have no idea about that right now despite asking for clarification as explicitly as I can.
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19 Aug 2016   #13
2therock

Win 10 Pro 64x
 
 

I'm embarrassed. Sorry.

Everything is on my C Drive. I want to back up my personal files and be able to survive or recover from a crash or a virus. Thanks
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19 Aug 2016   #14
ignatzatsonic

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by 2therock View Post
I'm embarrassed. Sorry.

Everything is on my C Drive. I want to back up my personal files and be able to survive or recover from a crash or a virus. Thanks
I'm guessing you mean "everything on Disc 0" rather than just "my personal files"????

If you mean only personal files--don't bother with imaging or cloning. Just back up "my personal files" with a file backup program.

If you mean "everything on Disc 0", that should be easily done. Just choose the imaging program of your choice, tell it to backup ALL partitions on Disc 0, and choose any disc other than disc 0 to store the image file.

C has about 500 GB occupied. The image file will be somewhere between 200 and 300 GB, so it will fit on pretty much any drive you want.

That image file will include your data. Because imaging is not foolproof or perfect, it's not the best way to back up personal data. So, I'd make a second copy of JUST the personal files portion of C using an ordinary file backup program--NOT imaging.

So--you'd have Windows and programs backed up ONLY by imaging, but you'd have personal files backed up by BOTH imaging and a file backup program.

All you have to worry about is the destination drive for these backups--internal drive, external drive, etc. Either will work.

Choose whatever program you feel comfortable with. You have to learn how to operate it correctly.

I assume you are doing something wrong with Macrium--the Win PE download thing is a one time thing required to make the recovery media.

Looks to me like most of those internal drives are unnecessary and just using electricity and generating heat. You've got 5.5 TB of disk space, but only need about 1/10 of that for "Everything" (disk 0). Even with backups and room to grow, you shouldn't need over 2 GB.
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19 Aug 2016   #15
2therock

Win 10 Pro 64x
 
 

Thanks, I'll trim the hardware fat and maybe try Macrium again.
I did a disk image using EaseUS last night of C: (both partitions) and it came to 452GB. No compression? It said it was using medium.

One thing I noticed on Macrium and EaseUS is my PC will not sleep. Being a free edition user I cannot get support. Maybe a paid user on one of these programs can ask for me?
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19 Aug 2016   #16
ignatzatsonic

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by 2therock View Post
Thanks, I'll trim the hardware fat and maybe try Macrium again.
I did a disk image using EaseUS last night of C: (both partitions) and it came to 452GB. No compression? It said it was using medium.

One thing I noticed on Macrium and EaseUS is my PC will not sleep. Being a free edition user I cannot get support. Maybe a paid user on one of these programs can ask for me?
I dunno about EaseUS. In Macrium, a "medium compression" image file of 452 GB would typically mean the occupied space on the imaged partitions was somewhere between 700 GB and 1000 GB.

I'm taking your word for it that you imaged the correct partitions. I'd assume the occupied space on disk 0 was something under 500 GB.

I don't understand your comment about sleep. I don't know why either of those apps would affect sleep. You certainly wouldn't want a PC to go into sleep mode while using an imaging app.

You have to confirm that you have some way of restoring that image if your disk 0 drops dead in 5 minutes and you have no way of booting. Whatcha gonna do and how do you know you can?

You've got a bunch of unused drives. I'd practice and see if I could restore an image to one of them and boot the PC from it.
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19 Aug 2016   #17
2therock

Win 10 Pro 64x
 
 

Thanks, Before installing them she slept and woke great. I'm going to uninstall them and see if she goes back tonormal and try again.

Good idea of the practice, I'll do it this weekend and let you know. Thanks
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19 Aug 2016   #18
2therock

Win 10 Pro 64x
 
 

FYI I found the sleep issue. My Bad. When I did the SSD install I randomly reconnected my USB devices. Well one of them did not like it.
I did a command prompt "powercfg -lastwake" and got the below.
So I disconnected everything and one at a time found the "keyboard dongle in a USB PCIE Hub" culprit.

C:\Users\ALC\Desktop>powercfg -lastwake
Wake History Count - 1
Wake History [0]
Wake Source Count - 1
Wake Source [0]
Type: Device
Instance Path: USB\ROOT_HUB\6&37010e95&0
Friendly Name:
Description: USB Root Hub
Manufacturer: (Standard USB Host Controller)
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19 Aug 2016   #19
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

I don't really want to get in the way but I think I can help a little getting everybody on the same page.

Please use this tutorial by Golden so ignatzatsonic and other members can see Disk Management complete and correct.

Disk Management - Post a Screen Capture Image

Using the proper terminology would be helpful.

Disk/drive have numbers. 0, 1,2,3, ect.

Partition have letters C,D,E, ect.
Example:

Disk (#3) has partition (W).

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The first thing I would do is unhook all disk/drives except disk/drive (0) and boot.
Doing this will verify that disk/drive (0) with System Reserve and (C) Windows 7 will boot.
**Notice that drive/disk (2) also has (Active)**

***Will it boot with only disk/drive (0) hooked up?***

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Is their anything on disk/drive 1,2,3,4,5, that you want to save?
If their is anything on the above disk/drives that is sensitive I would recommend dong a wipe of those drives.
We can guide you with that if need be.

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Using Macrium Reflect their is nothing hard about making Images and or Clones. One can do both.
The time downloading PE takes what ever time it takes. That is part of imaging; period.
I personally use both but because I have very little on my systems I prefer Clones.

Example:

Imaging To an Identical SSD, Question-disk-management-dec-5-2015.png


Imaging To an Identical SSD, Question-disk-management-jan-28.png


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20 Aug 2016   #20
AddRAM

Windows 7 Pro x64 Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

One thing that jumps out at me is, Why is Disk 2 marked Active ?

If it`s already been covered then disregard my question.
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