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Windows 7: Image your system with free Macrium

15 Oct 2011   #431
kado897

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Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Service Pack 1
 
 

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I don't know if I am making myself clear, sorry. With 4.2 as soon as the system image is finished, still in the program(Macrium), I chose the verify system image and did it immediately, before doing anything else. This is what I can't do in v5.0. Now I believe that, what you are saying is that this procedure is not the same as the autoverify?
Glenn
I don't know. I have just posted the question in the Macrium Forum so we will see what they say.
What a great idea!!! Please let me know what you find out. Much appreciated!
Glenn
It seems I was both right and wrong. The Image is verified against MD5 Checksums created at the time of the backup and stored in an index in the backup.

I was pointed to this article. Understanding Image Verification Failures (Verification)


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15 Oct 2011   #432
glennc

Windows 7 Ultimate
 
 

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I don't know. I have just posted the question in the Macrium Forum so we will see what they say.
What a great idea!!! Please let me know what you find out. Much appreciated!
Glenn
It seems I was both right and wrong. The Image is verified against MD5 Checksums created at the time of the backup and stored in an index in the backup.

I was pointed to this article. Understanding Image Verification Failures (Verification)
Okay, lets see if I understand this. In the paid for version with the AutoVerify function, after the system image is completed it is read back and verified for corruption with the checksum. Is this the same process as in v4.2 free edition without autoverify, when I did the save system image and then immediately did the verify system image? I don't have a paid license key so I can't get on their forum.
Appreciate any assistance in answering that question. Now I can see the value of also having a restore system image verify.
Thanks
Glenn
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15 Oct 2011   #433
kado897

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by glennc View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kado897 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by glennc View Post

What a great idea!!! Please let me know what you find out. Much appreciated!
Glenn
It seems I was both right and wrong. The Image is verified against MD5 Checksums created at the time of the backup and stored in an index in the backup.

I was pointed to this article. Understanding Image Verification Failures (Verification)
Okay, lets see if I understand this. In the paid for version with the AutoVerify function, after the system image is completed it is read back and verified for corruption with the checksum. Is this the same process as in v4.2 free edition without autoverify, when I did the save system image and then immediately did the verify system image? I don't have a paid license key so I can't get on their forum.
Appreciate any assistance in answering that question. Now I can see the value of also having a restore system image verify.
Thanks
Glenn
It would seem that both Autoverify and the separate Verify function do the same thing and that is verify the image written against the the index of the image which contains knowledge (MD5 Checksums) of the original data that was backed up. I don't think that this has changed since 4.2.
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15 Oct 2011   #434
Corazon

Windows 7 Professional SP1 32-bit
 
 

That's great to know, thanks for sharing kado897
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15 Oct 2011   #435
glennc

Windows 7 Ultimate
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kado897 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by glennc View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kado897 View Post

It seems I was both right and wrong. The Image is verified against MD5 Checksums created at the time of the backup and stored in an index in the backup.

I was pointed to this article. Understanding Image Verification Failures (Verification)
Okay, lets see if I understand this. In the paid for version with the AutoVerify function, after the system image is completed it is read back and verified for corruption with the checksum. Is this the same process as in v4.2 free edition without autoverify, when I did the save system image and then immediately did the verify system image? I don't have a paid license key so I can't get on their forum.
Appreciate any assistance in answering that question. Now I can see the value of also having a restore system image verify.
Thanks
Glenn
It would seem that both Autoverify and the separate Verify function do the same thing and that is verify the image written against the the index of the image which contains knowledge (MD5 Checksums) of the original data that was backed up. I don't think that this has changed since 4.2.
Thanks you Sir. I can sleep soundly with knowing that my saved system image is verified in v4.2. Why did they remove it from free v5.0???? For me it makes v5.0 kinda useless. I purchased Paragon a ways back when it was on sale and it had the Winpe recovery disk and the seperate verify function. I also (paranoid) will occasionally make a complete system image with Macrium. I have the space and I like having a seperate way of getting back to a working state. Paragon has some issues with my computer that I can work around. For some reason the computer keeps swapping my two hard drives back and forth between drive 0 and drive 1. You have to keep an eye on it so you don't image the backup drive to the C: drive.
Then it also says that both of my drives are bootable system drives after I did a reinstall from the hardrive instead of the recovery disk. Their support act as if I am talking a foreign language and have never responded directly to these issues. So I was considering Macrium 5.0 and maybe get the pro version. But if it ain't completely broke, don't fix it. I am not impressed with Macrium 5.0 and it's issue.
Many thanks!
Glenn
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15 Oct 2011   #436
kado897

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by glennc View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kado897 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by glennc View Post

Okay, lets see if I understand this. In the paid for version with the AutoVerify function, after the system image is completed it is read back and verified for corruption with the checksum. Is this the same process as in v4.2 free edition without autoverify, when I did the save system image and then immediately did the verify system image? I don't have a paid license key so I can't get on their forum.
Appreciate any assistance in answering that question. Now I can see the value of also having a restore system image verify.
Thanks
Glenn
It would seem that both Autoverify and the separate Verify function do the same thing and that is verify the image written against the the index of the image which contains knowledge (MD5 Checksums) of the original data that was backed up. I don't think that this has changed since 4.2.
Thanks you Sir. I can sleep soundly with knowing that my saved system image is verified in v4.2. Why did they remove it from free v5.0???? For me it makes v5.0 kinda useless. I purchased Paragon a ways back when it was on sale and it had the Winpe recovery disk and the seperate verify function. I also (paranoid) will occasionally make a complete system image with Macrium. I have the space and I like having a seperate way of getting back to a working state. Paragon has some issues with my computer that I can work around. For some reason the computer keeps swapping my two hard drives back and forth between drive 0 and drive 1. You have to keep an eye on it so you don't image the backup drive to the C: drive.
Then it also says that both of my drives are bootable system drives after I did a reinstall from the hardrive instead of the recovery disk. Their support act as if I am talking a foreign language and have never responded directly to these issues. So I was considering Macrium 5.0 and maybe get the pro version. But if it ain't completely broke, don't fix it. I am not impressed with Macrium 5.0 and it's issue.
Many thanks!
Glenn
It isn't completely removed in v5. The autoverify is removed but the stand alone verify function which does the same thing is on the restore tab.
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15 Oct 2011   #437
glennc

Windows 7 Ultimate
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kado897 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by glennc View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kado897 View Post

It would seem that both Autoverify and the separate Verify function do the same thing and that is verify the image written against the the index of the image which contains knowledge (MD5 Checksums) of the original data that was backed up. I don't think that this has changed since 4.2.
Thanks you Sir. I can sleep soundly with knowing that my saved system image is verified in v4.2. Why did they remove it from free v5.0???? For me it makes v5.0 kinda useless. I purchased Paragon a ways back when it was on sale and it had the Winpe recovery disk and the seperate verify function. I also (paranoid) will occasionally make a complete system image with Macrium. I have the space and I like having a seperate way of getting back to a working state. Paragon has some issues with my computer that I can work around. For some reason the computer keeps swapping my two hard drives back and forth between drive 0 and drive 1. You have to keep an eye on it so you don't image the backup drive to the C: drive.
Then it also says that both of my drives are bootable system drives after I did a reinstall from the hardrive instead of the recovery disk. Their support act as if I am talking a foreign language and have never responded directly to these issues. So I was considering Macrium 5.0 and maybe get the pro version. But if it ain't completely broke, don't fix it. I am not impressed with Macrium 5.0 and it's issue.
Many thanks!
Glenn
It isn't completely removed in v5. The autoverify is removed but the stand alone verify function which does the same thing is on the restore tab.
I've got to get this clarified once again, because of my misunderstanding of the full process. From your statement, you are, I believe saying that I could do a full system image, then go to the Restore tab and do a verification of checksum of the image and the original files, and find out that they are not corrupted. I don't have to be running a restore, it is just moved to that tab and functions exactly the same as the v4.2 verify function I used previously. Sorry to make you say it slowly, but I won't understand otherwise!
Once again thanks
Glenn
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15 Oct 2011   #438
kado897

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by glennc View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kado897 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by glennc View Post

Thanks you Sir. I can sleep soundly with knowing that my saved system image is verified in v4.2. Why did they remove it from free v5.0???? For me it makes v5.0 kinda useless. I purchased Paragon a ways back when it was on sale and it had the Winpe recovery disk and the seperate verify function. I also (paranoid) will occasionally make a complete system image with Macrium. I have the space and I like having a seperate way of getting back to a working state. Paragon has some issues with my computer that I can work around. For some reason the computer keeps swapping my two hard drives back and forth between drive 0 and drive 1. You have to keep an eye on it so you don't image the backup drive to the C: drive.
Then it also says that both of my drives are bootable system drives after I did a reinstall from the hardrive instead of the recovery disk. Their support act as if I am talking a foreign language and have never responded directly to these issues. So I was considering Macrium 5.0 and maybe get the pro version. But if it ain't completely broke, don't fix it. I am not impressed with Macrium 5.0 and it's issue.
Many thanks!
Glenn
It isn't completely removed in v5. The autoverify is removed but the stand alone verify function which does the same thing is on the restore tab.
I've got to get this clarified once again, because of my misunderstanding of the full process. From your statement, you are, I believe saying that I could do a full system image, then go to the Restore tab and do a verification of checksum of the image and the original files, and find out that they are not corrupted. I don't have to be running a restore, it is just moved to that tab and functions exactly the same as the v4.2 verify function I used previously. Sorry to make you say it slowly, but I won't understand otherwise!
Once again thanks
Glenn
No problem Glenn. You are correct in you assumption.
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15 Oct 2011   #439
glennc

Windows 7 Ultimate
 
 

Thank you once again! Now I don't know if it is worth upgrading, again. What is your opinion, of course, if you don't mind?
Glenn
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15 Oct 2011   #440
kado897

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Service Pack 1
 
 

It is a matter of personal choice really. If you are happy with 4.2 then stick with it until Macrium drops support for it. I think I said in an earlier answer that I generally like to use the latest versions of software that I use as I am then certain of continuing support and can take advantage of any new features. In this case there don't seem to be many new features that are applicable to the free version except for the creation of a PE disk from the WAIK. It was to get a PE disk that I originally bought v4. If the Linux disk can see your backup drives or you can use the PE version in the Hirens boot CD then that is no real advantage.
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