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Windows 7 - Windows Image Backup.. Backup |
02-22-2012
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#11 | | Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, clean install, upgrade disc |

Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2
The idea is to make an image of your operating system - with a 3rd party program like paragon - you can store that image anywhere - e.g. on an external drive.
You can also restore it from an external drive.
You can't do that with windows system image program.
Use a 3rd party app. instead for the extra flexibility.
Then you can delete all the stuff that windows is putting on your D drive. I must admit that I am confused. Microsoft suggests that you do not keep your image on the same hard drive as the OS (I think this is good advice). Now, you are saying that you cannot use that external to restore to the original hard drive with the OS.
Mind you, I am not saying that you are wrong. I truly dont know. I never had to use the image. I do want to know in case I need to use the image one day. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dell XPS 420 OS Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, clean install, upgrade disc CPU Intel Core2 processsor Q8200(2.33Ghz 1333FSB) Quad Core Tech Motherboard Dell Memory 6 gb Graphics Card ATI Radeon 256MB HD3650 Sound Card Intergrated 7.1 Channel Audio Monitor(s) Displays Dell SP2009W 20" Keyboard Dell USB Keyboard Mouse Dell Premium Optical USB Cooling Fan Hard Drives 640 GB Serial ATA Hard drive Internet Speed DSL 2.85 |
02-22-2012
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Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 The idea is to make an image of your operating system - with a 3rd party program like paragon - you can store that image anywhere - e.g. on an external drive.
You can also restore it from an external drive.
You can't do that with windows system image program.
Use a 3rd party app. instead for the extra flexibility.
Then you can delete all the stuff that windows is putting on your D drive. Windows System Image stores a copy of your entire system on an external drive. Yes it is more than just the OS but it certainly does include it.
The image has to be able to be restored from the external drive. That is the whole point. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP p6608f OS Win 7 Home Premium x64 CPU Intel Core i3-540 3.07 GHz Motherboard MS-7613 (Iona-GL8E) Memory 4 GB (2 X 2) Dual-Channel PC-10600 DDR3 @ 665MHz (9-9-9-24) Graphics Card Integrated Intel H57 Sound Card Integrated Realtek ALC888S Audio Monitor(s) Displays 17" SDM-HS73 (a vestige from my old computer) Screen Resolution 1280 X 1024 Keyboard HP USB keyboard Mouse HP USB optical mouse PSU 250W Hard Drives 750GB SATA 7200 RPM Internet Speed 15Mbps/1Mbps |
02-22-2012
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#13 | | Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, clean install, upgrade disc |
Yes, the Image must be able to be restored from the external drive, and I always assumed that it could. That is the reason that MS says that it is best not to store the image on the drive with the OS. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dell XPS 420 OS Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, clean install, upgrade disc CPU Intel Core2 processsor Q8200(2.33Ghz 1333FSB) Quad Core Tech Motherboard Dell Memory 6 gb Graphics Card ATI Radeon 256MB HD3650 Sound Card Intergrated 7.1 Channel Audio Monitor(s) Displays Dell SP2009W 20" Keyboard Dell USB Keyboard Mouse Dell Premium Optical USB Cooling Fan Hard Drives 640 GB Serial ATA Hard drive Internet Speed DSL 2.85 |
02-22-2012
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The programs mentioned are just other ways to accomplish basically the same thing that the Windows System Image does. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP p6608f OS Win 7 Home Premium x64 CPU Intel Core i3-540 3.07 GHz Motherboard MS-7613 (Iona-GL8E) Memory 4 GB (2 X 2) Dual-Channel PC-10600 DDR3 @ 665MHz (9-9-9-24) Graphics Card Integrated Intel H57 Sound Card Integrated Realtek ALC888S Audio Monitor(s) Displays 17" SDM-HS73 (a vestige from my old computer) Screen Resolution 1280 X 1024 Keyboard HP USB keyboard Mouse HP USB optical mouse PSU 250W Hard Drives 750GB SATA 7200 RPM Internet Speed 15Mbps/1Mbps |
02-22-2012
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#15 | | Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, clean install, upgrade disc |
I certainly agree with that statement, but SIW2 says You can also restore it from an external drive.
You can't do that with windows system image program. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dell XPS 420 OS Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, clean install, upgrade disc CPU Intel Core2 processsor Q8200(2.33Ghz 1333FSB) Quad Core Tech Motherboard Dell Memory 6 gb Graphics Card ATI Radeon 256MB HD3650 Sound Card Intergrated 7.1 Channel Audio Monitor(s) Displays Dell SP2009W 20" Keyboard Dell USB Keyboard Mouse Dell Premium Optical USB Cooling Fan Hard Drives 640 GB Serial ATA Hard drive Internet Speed DSL 2.85 |
02-22-2012
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#16 | | Vista and Windows7, sometimes Ubuntu and Fedora |

Quote: Originally Posted by bru 
Quote: Originally Posted by richc46 Isn't that what "Create a System Image" via Windows Backup does? It puts the system image on an external drive. Isn't this just a different program to do the same thing? If you are lucky it does that. And if you are lucky again (but only on Sunday mornings), you may even be able tp restore from that image.
But seriously. I have seen too many people having problems with Windows imaging and I also had my own share of that - so it is difficult for me to recommend Windows imaging as a viable solution.
If you want to use Windows facilities, use the Wbadmin command, that is safer.
Last edited by whs; 02-22-2012 at 01:11 AM..
Reason: typo
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02-22-2012
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#17 | | Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, clean install, upgrade disc |
TY Wolgang, I have lost 8kb of clusters on my drive. Not a lot on a 640GB drive, but probably an indication of what is to come. I have back up on an external using Macrium and System Image. I back up once a week now. Every time I change or make a new doucment, I copy on to a USB drive. Im in no rush to buy a new HD, but if Im forced to, Im ready; I hope. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dell XPS 420 OS Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, clean install, upgrade disc CPU Intel Core2 processsor Q8200(2.33Ghz 1333FSB) Quad Core Tech Motherboard Dell Memory 6 gb Graphics Card ATI Radeon 256MB HD3650 Sound Card Intergrated 7.1 Channel Audio Monitor(s) Displays Dell SP2009W 20" Keyboard Dell USB Keyboard Mouse Dell Premium Optical USB Cooling Fan Hard Drives 640 GB Serial ATA Hard drive Internet Speed DSL 2.85 |
02-22-2012
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Quote: Originally Posted by whs If you are lucky it does that. And if you are lucky again (but only on Sunday mornings), you may even be able tp restore from that image.
But seriously. I have seen too many people having problems with Windows imaging and I also had my own share of that - so it is difficult for me to recommend Windows imaging as a viable solution.
If you want to use Windows facilities, use the Wbadmin command, that is safer. Your experience and the few others you mention notwithstanding, if there was such a major problem with a major part of the Windows Backup program wouldn't it's faults be known more widely?
There are probably millions of people sitting with System Images created by Windows on their external drives. So all of us will be in for a rude awakening when we try to restore them?
And if there really is a problem wouldn't MS had made some chages to B&R as they do with any other programs that have problems? 
Quote: Originally Posted by whs If you want to use Windows facilities, use the Wbadmin command, that is safer. OK so assume there is a problem with a major Windows component, how do I use this command? | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP p6608f OS Win 7 Home Premium x64 CPU Intel Core i3-540 3.07 GHz Motherboard MS-7613 (Iona-GL8E) Memory 4 GB (2 X 2) Dual-Channel PC-10600 DDR3 @ 665MHz (9-9-9-24) Graphics Card Integrated Intel H57 Sound Card Integrated Realtek ALC888S Audio Monitor(s) Displays 17" SDM-HS73 (a vestige from my old computer) Screen Resolution 1280 X 1024 Keyboard HP USB keyboard Mouse HP USB optical mouse PSU 250W Hard Drives 750GB SATA 7200 RPM Internet Speed 15Mbps/1Mbps |
02-22-2012
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#19 | | Vista and Windows7, sometimes Ubuntu and Fedora |
Quote: OK so assume there is a problem with a major Windows component, how do I use this command Wbadmin | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP, Dell, Gateway - 2 laptops and 2 desktops OS Vista and Windows7, sometimes Ubuntu and Fedora CPU from 1.6GHz Duo to 2.5GHz Quad Monitor(s) Displays 2x HP w2207 Keyboard with trackball - no mices Mouse terrible devices, who wants them Hard Drives 5x HDD, 2x SSD, 6x Externals Internet Speed DSL 6000 |
02-22-2012
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#20 | | Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 |

Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 You can only restore a windows system image from it's original location . In my experience this is not actually correct. But it depends on what is meant by "original location".
If you move a Windows image anywhere within an existing partition and/or rename it, you have no problems. You need to move it back and rename if appropriate to "WindowsImageBackup" located in the root directory of a partition.
When you make one off images (not shadow difference images) you are fine.
I do it all the time. Note: moving within partition boundaries does not involve a physical image move.
When you move images across partition boundaries you are physically moving the image folder (lots of GBs!). Not practical but should work subject to the above one off image constraints.
From practical usage I fully support Macrium Reflect as well. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Own build (+ Recased Acer Aspire x1800) OS Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 CPU Intel i7 2600k Motherboard ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe Memory G.Skill Ripjaws (DDR3-1600) 2x4GB Graphics Card Nvidia GeForce GTS 450; Intel HD Graphics 3000(GT2+) Monitor(s) Displays Dell Ultrasharp IPS panel U2311H, Samsung SyncMaster P2350 Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech MK520 (wireless) Mouse Logitech MK520 PSU Seasonic M12II 520W Case Lian Li Lancool PC-K60 Cooling Case: 1x120mm, 3x140mm CPU: Hyper 212+ Hard Drives Crucial M4 128GB (0309), Seagates 1TB Barracuda ST31000528AS + Internet Speed 6-7 Mbps Other Info Audio: Logitech Z523 2.1 Windows Image Backup.. Backup problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:08 AM. |  |