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Windows 7: I HATE Windows Live Mail

24 Oct 2010   #91

64-bit Windows 10 Pro

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jerrypc1 View Post
Please tell me how to make vista mail work in windows 7 I will do it Thanks
Hello Jerry,

Here you go.

Windows Mail

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24 Oct 2010   #92

Windows 10 Pro x64 x2 Windows 10 Enterprise x64, Ubuntu

Just as an experiment - I am a long term Full outlook 2010 user - I decided to download and setup an account with windows live mail.

Downloaded the stand alone installer and installed just the Mail part
Took about ten minutes, Due to the size of the stand alone installer, which I needed anyway

Started WLM and declined out of the automatically created link to my live account.

went to new account creation and created IMAP account link to a client's GMX.Com account, using the account creation wizard.

About two minutes later had full access to the account and all it's working folders

All this on a netbook with 1GB ram running win7 Ultimate

Seems to be working fine to me
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24 Oct 2010   #93

Windows 8 Pro w/MC 32-bit

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by StickMaker View Post
Jimbo, I agree. The good old "Outlook Express" did it all and did it well. They've really messed it up, imho.
The odd thing about Jimbo's complaints is that he's wrong about those 3 things. You don't have to log in at all. Just choose the option to "stop signing in". Also, I believe 2011 allows disabling of the preview pane just as in OE, WM, WLM2009. I do agree there are a few bugs and added complexity, which has made a few people switch back to the previous version of WLM.
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25 Oct 2010   #94

Windows 7 x64 (RTM via MSDN)

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ExpungedBob View Post
Well I think the PEBCAK exists in your analysis of the problem.

In my opinion, the installation seems to be intended for the general public regardless of their PC savvy, as long as their PC meets minimum standards for installation. It should require NO diagnostics or technical intervention of any kind. While I am not a qualified or certified PC technician, I do regard myself as a better than average enthusiast with long term experience, and I am not a "kid."
Not sure what you're trying to say here. I agree that the installation is intended for the general public and works very well. Given that my Dad was able to do this, and he is as far from qualified as you can get, I would say that installation is fairly simple. Granted, his ISP provided a great list of required inputs, mailbox address, SMTP address, how to setup the secure account options, but my Dad was able to input these on his own without having to call me for assistance. The installation passes the general masses test.

In essence, I simply agreed to let the software install automatically. Therefore, considering your "PEBCAK" remark, you are arrogant and condescending in your assessment.
Your original post started the shift in attitude. You even went as far as to complain about a program feature, that doesn't exist (cloud requirements).

Further, while my experience is certainly anecdotal, what is going to happen when the average PC owner goes through what I went through? Do you really think they will work on Windows "Live" diligently before it functions properly? I don't think so. I would bet they would forget about Windows "Live," permanently, and find an alternative.
As I pointed out above with my Dad's ability to install Windows Live Mail, my anectdote cancels out your anactdote, so where does that leave us? You are begging the question when you assume that the average PC owner is going to go through what you went through.

Can Microsoft afford yet another "This time we got it right" campaign which also happened after Vista? In my opinion, Vista was the best thing that ever happened to Apple. Judging from my experience, Windows "Live" may be the best thing that ever happened to Google.

Hope you didn't have any "PEBCAK" reading this.
Were you around during the transition from Windows 98/Windows ME to XP? The same doom and gloom, the same idiotic press complaints, the same petulant foot stomping occurred then. I know, I was one of them. I was dragged kicking and screaming from Windows 2000 to Windows XP. I swore up and down that Win 2K was faster, sleeker, better in everyway than XP. I held out for a year and finally realized that I was terribly wrong. The same thing happened with Vista. Vista changed things, especially driver models. Humans don't like change. The bottom line, however, is that Vista is a better OS, in almost everyway, than XP. But, it's different, and that scares the general user.

And the best thing to happen to Google Mail is Android not WLM. You are basically required to get an account with Google to use the phone to its fullest extent.
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26 Oct 2010   #95

Windows 7

While we're at it (bashing WLM that is) I wonder why it is that with the very latest version, I have to double-click some of the buttons some of the time? If my cursor was on a different window, e.g. my browser, and the I want to move to the WLM window to do a new email, I have to click "Email message" TWICE. On the first click, the button DOES turn color, but does nothing. Same with (some of?) the other buttons.

Any way to get rid of a lot of the stuff in the menu bar? Much of it I will never use and I'd prefer to "un-clutter" it.
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18 Nov 2010   #96

Windows Vista Home Premium 64
Windows Live Mail is JUNK

Like most of us I upgraded from Windows Mail to Windows Live Mail thinking it would be better.........Microsoft got me again. It is getting to the point when I get updates I'm afraid to install them due to the failed programs Microsoft has put out lately.
Each time that I have had problems with my computer it has turned out to be a download from Microsoft that has caused the problem and after undoing the download it works fine again.
Don't even think about trying to get help from Microsoft, they are more lost than some two year olds I know, with their new online fix-it program no one there can help you with anything.
Ah, but I am ranting again......Back to the problem with Windows Live Mail......get rid of it and go back to Windows Mail and your problems are solved......instantly....
REALLY......Like Magic.
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18 Nov 2010   #97

Windows 7 Home Premium

I switched from WLM back to Tbird after this new version came out because I don't like it like I did the previous version.

And people.....QUIT saying anything about "Signing in" to "Windows Live" and "in the cloud". There is NO signing in needed.....I don't see why everyone thinks that because this say Windows live mail that you actually are supposed to use a Live account. Stop that, it's not really any different than OE in the way that email accounts work in WLM.......stop assuming that it has to do with the actual Live-mail. IT DOESN'T.

And even being on Vista, Windows Mail doesn't work for everyone. I for one always want to see the accounts separated.
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