Latest Internet Explorer 9 Release

Thomas R said:

I haven’t used IE9 long enough to discover any bugs that cause crashes or freezes.

But one thing was bugging me so much that I switched on my main computer back to IE8:

The location of the Tabs!

All the way up right under the address bar with no way to change that position.

I like it better as it is in IE8 where the Tabs are where they belong – attached right to the top of the web page. And I know I'm not alone with this.
I could live with the Tabs directely underneath, left or right of the web page. but where they have put it in IE9 is plain idiotic.
I hope Microsoft is going to fix that.

You can move the tabs to the right of the address bar.



Right click in an empty space next to the tabs and uncheck "show tabs on a separate row". If I misunderstood your comment I apologize.

marsmimar said:

Thomas R said:

I haven’t used IE9 long enough to discover any bugs that cause crashes or freezes.

But one thing was bugging me so much that I switched on my main computer back to IE8:

The location of the Tabs!

All the way up right under the address bar with no way to change that position.

I like it better as it is in IE8 where the Tabs are where they belong – attached right to the top of the web page. And I know I'm not alone with this.
I could live with the Tabs directely underneath, left or right of the web page. but where they have put it in IE9 is plain idiotic.
I hope Microsoft is going to fix that.

You can move the tabs to the right of the address bar.



Right click in an empty space next to the tabs and uncheck "show tabs on a separate row". If I misunderstood your comment I apologize.

yes but thats near useless unless only using no more than a few tabs at once.

whats the productive reason for having the address bar so low down? There isnt one its simply to copy chrome.

Firefox made the same silly mistakes, removing menu bar by default, tabs at top, removing down arrow next do back/forward, disabling status bar. However firefox is saved by the fact they can be either optionally changed back or addons can be installed restoring missing features. IE9 the changes are forced on the user.

For what its worth I am not a fan of google, google are certianly not gods and microsoft shouldnt fear them to the point they have to copy them. Simple isnt always good and I find far too many google owned stuff "too simple".

hjonesMCT I am working hard to stay polite.

But have you read the objections and took them seriously?

how does hitting the alt key get round the problem of not wanting to use the keyboard to access the menu? there are those of us who dont use shortcut keys etc. It is about efficiency, it is about having the menu where you expect it to be without needing extra clicks or the keyboard.

Regarding windows 7 vs XP, its thanks to 3rd party software and a guide on this site I am using windows seven, I brought back quick launch and using "7 taskbar tweaker" to change the taskbar behaviour back to more old school. Without these changes its very likely I would still be using XP now as I find the "by design" behaviour of windows 7 GUI unuseable.

There is a golden rule when developing if dont want to alienate your userbase, it is really quite a simple rule. I will say it again it is very simple. You simply make any changes optional.

I welcome your opinion is fine, but if you did read the reasons people dont like the changes then you would have known having to press alt is not a solution. If the option is there for the menu to on/off (it actually is to be fair you misunderstood the issue) then everyone in theory is happy as those who dont like it turn it off, those who like it turn it on, but also it needs to fully customisable all the toolbars, or at least do what FF did and and leave the menu in the default place (top of window) and add an option to have tabs below the address bar (FF also did). This avoids users complaining because if they dont like it they then can simply change it back.

Looks is one thing but ultimately functionality is king.

Your screenshot incidently doesnt mirror XP behaviour, if not using 3rd party software its not possible to mirror XP behaviour as 7's taskbar will group windows of same app together and have unusually big gaps between other windows. eg. on windows 7 without 3rd party software I could not have this on th e task bar. IE-> FF -> IE, it would force the 2 IE to be after each other. But this is off topic, best to continue this in the quick launch thread or something.

Do you not think it a problem to add choice to gui changes? simple question if you dont mind answering it. Its logical that forced gui changes will be rejected by some people as it means they have to change how they work. There is no data that proves new changes are more efficient over time either, in this case it was done to copy chrome.

chrysalis said:

I welcome your opinion is fine, but if you did read the reasons people dont like the changes then you would have known having to press alt is not a solution. If the option is there for the menu to on/off (it actually is to be fair you misunderstood the issue) then everyone in theory is happy as those who dont like it turn it off, those who like it turn it on, but also it needs to fully customisable all the toolbars, or at least do what FF did and and leave the menu in the default place (top of window) and add an option to have tabs below the address bar (FF also did). This avoids users complaining because if they dont like it they then can simply change it back.

Looks is one thing but ultimately functionality is king.

Your screenshot incidently doesnt mirror XP behaviour, if not using 3rd party software its not possible to mirror XP behaviour as 7's taskbar will group windows of same app together and have unusually big gaps between other windows. eg. on windows 7 without 3rd party software I could not have this on th e task bar. IE-> FF -> IE, it would force the 2 IE to be after each other. But this is off topic, best to continue this in the quick launch thread or something.

Do you not think it a problem to add choice to gui changes? simple question if you dont mind answering it. Its logical that forced gui changes will be rejected by some people as it means they have to change how they work. There is no data that proves new changes are more efficient over time either, in this case it was done to copy chrome.

Crysalis, you've made two crucial points: FUNCTION and CHOICE!!! For me, it's all about function (as opposed to looks), but having said that, I think everyone would be accepting of the changes if Microsoft gave us sufficient choices to set up our systems the way that each one of us wanted. There's only one way to satisfy all the levels of computer users, from the newbies all the way up to those folks who are the most technologically savvy, and that is: make the changes, but give users the choice to customize their systems the way they want to.

yep everyone will have their won requirements on what they need from the browser and how they use it. It just so happens to be for me a fair few of the changes have gone down badly in how I use the browser but I am working on migrating to IE9 as I think the benefits of it are great. I am defenitly not saying its a poor app, just the gui functionality I have to have workarounds for. I have made comments (including a thread I started) on a couple of IE9 related threads incidently, let me know if interested and I will post links to them.