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Windows 7: Webpage wants to run Java SE Runtime Environment 7 update 25.

08 Jul 2013   #11
arizonajack

Windows 7 Professional 64 bit Service Pack 1
 
 

It's still doing it.

I haven't found a solution yet.


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08 Jul 2013   #12
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Please list the web sites you are having problems with.
Wikipedia does not require Jave. I go there all the time and I haven't had Java in a long time.

From your post #1
Runtime Environment 7 Update 25

I'm thinking you might be infected and/or a bunch of trash hooked up with your browser. I would suggest going to our security thread. Please let them know you came from this thread.

http://www.sevenforums.com/system-security/
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09 Jul 2013   #13
UsernameIssues

W7 Pro SP1 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by arizonajack View Post
Just recently I've come across several websites (sites that I have used regularly for years) that give me the following message:

This webpage wants to run the following add-on: 'Java SE Runtime Environment 7 Update 25' from 'Oracle America, Inc'

I let it slide for a while but it seems like the sites did that every time I logged on so I let it run.

It got installed and I went to Java's website to verify the installation. The installation was verified and Control Panel - Programs and Features lists the program as of yesterday 6/20/13.

Today I go on to one of my usual sites and get the same message.

Any ideas?
If you got that prompt - then you already had Java 7 Update 25 installed. The website is not asking you to install Java or even to re-install it. The website is simply asking you permission to use a small part of Java: the Java add-on for IE.

Running the Java add-on is not quite the same thing as running the Java Runtime Environment (JRE) (also called the Java Virtual Machine, JVM, Java Runtime Environment Virtual Machine). The website is not asking to run a Java app (at least not yet).

As I understand it (and I could be wrong):
Java applets run under the Java add-on. Think of it as Java-lite.
Java apps run under the full Java Virtual Machine.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by arizonajack View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by A Guy View Post
Never let a website install flash, java, video players, etc. Always download from the source, or a trusted site like Filehippo. That said, you may have indeed gotten a legit download. Which browser are you using when this happens? A Guy
IE 10.

I reinstalled Java from Java's website after the message recurred and the message is still coming back.
And it will keep on "coming back" for some websites. This started with Java 7 somewhere around Update 4 or 5 and IE9. Whenever a website calls ActiveXObject with this parameter ("JavaWebStart.isInstalled") then you should see the prompt. (There are other ways to call the add-on too.) Just ignore or close the prompt if you do not trust the website. Or better yet, uninstall all versions of Java and see if you ever miss it.

If you must keep Java installed (like I must) and you don't want IE asking you for permission to run this add-on, then do as ThrashZone suggested and place a check by this option:

Webpage wants to run Java SE Runtime Environment 7 update 25.-0-java-prompt.png

But be warned: some websites might not work as desired.
For example, this website...
http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/br...g/Default.html
...is pretty broken without activex. The same is true for many other websites.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
Please list the web sites you are having problems with.
Wikipedia does not require Jave. I go there all the time and I haven't had Java in a long time.
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Which is why you do not see the prompt that some wikipedia pages cause :-)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki
Webpage wants to run Java SE Runtime Environment 7 update 25.-1-java-prompt.png
If I say Allow, the page reloads (as expected) and some functionality is added... I just don't readily see what functionality was added.


These two websites also generate the same prompt that the OP mentions:

http://www.techques.com/
Here is the VirusTotal scan for the techques website.

http://www.pinlady.net/PluginDetect/Java/
Here is the VirusTotal scan for the pnilady website - one hit.


These popups are a whole different story:
http://www.javatester.org/version.html
Webpage wants to run Java SE Runtime Environment 7 update 25.-2-java-prompt.png
They are asking to run a Java app. They will start the full Java Virtual Machine (a.k.a. JVM, JRE).


If you opt to keep Java installed, you might want to read my ramblings in this post:
IE 10 Not Keeping Temp Files
Start near the bottom half of that post under the section named Generic advice.


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09 Jul 2013   #14
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

If I can look at a web page without Java why would the same web page request Java from another person?
Be gentle I'm a tender person.

I'm thinking the browser just might have a boat load of PUP installed. PUP (potentially unwanted program)
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09 Jul 2013   #15
UsernameIssues

W7 Pro SP1 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
If I can look at a web page without Java why would the same web page request Java from another person?
Be gentle I'm a tender person.

I'm thinking the browser just might have a boat load of PUP installed. PUP (potentially unwanted program)
Sorry if I came across as rough/rude/... in the last post - that was not my intent. I spent several frustrating hours dealing with this same issue on some websites that some of the people that I support visit. I don't understand all about this stuff, but I know more than I ever wanted to know.

The Wikipedia website probably asked the same thing of your browser when you visited it that it did when I visited it... but IE9/IE10 did not ask you to allow something that you don't have installed. It is possible that the code asking to run the add-on is old (not used)... so no functionality is lost when you visit the website without Java installed. I uninstalled Java as a test and I didn't get the prompt.

BTW, I did learn that you can make the prompt go away and stay away by selecting "Allow for all websites". I just don't suggest that to anyone.


As far as PUPs, you probably know my position on that: for normal users (and abnormal users like me :-) one can never know for sure if a computer is free from all malware. I do not think that anti-malware tools are smarter than the best of the black hats. I cannot do an offline scan due to full disk encryption. I don't know the encryption key, my employer does. But SEP and ESET's online scanner show this box to be clean.

Again, sorry if my last post came across as rude. Please let me know if I ever sound like that.
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09 Jul 2013   #16
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

No problem.
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13 Jul 2013   #17
arizonajack

Windows 7 Professional 64 bit Service Pack 1
 
 

Thanks, everybody, for all the suggestions since my last visit.

Especially usernameissues' explanation.

I'm going to click "allow" on websites that I trust and use frequently. So far I did that with one site and when I went back it didn't ask me again. Maybe that's the cure.
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