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Windows 7: Had IE8 now Win Update tried to Install IE11 and doesn't work.

26 Mar 2014   #91
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

You did OK. You can put images of C and the 100MB partition into your G partition. It's kind of small though. It will hold a maximum of 3 images at your current amount of data in C.

Now let me explain this partition stuff. I know a lot of people get confused with that. There are the following partition types:

Primary - you must have a primary partition for the one that contains the bootmgr - and only for that one. That partition is called the active partition from which your system boots. Unfortunately there is this bad habit (especially by the OEMs) to make other partitionsalso primaries that do not need it.

Logical - this is what I would call a normal partition. You can have up to 120 of those and they are good for everything except for the active partition.

Extended - that is the first logical partition you create. It is the 'mother' of all following logical partitions. In Disk Management it does not tell you which of your logical partitions is the extended partition - and it really does not matter either.

Major - (note that this is my term to make the explanation easier) Primaries and Extended are major partitions

Limitations - in an NTFS disk structure you can only have 4 major partitions. If you have 4 primaries, then that's it. No more partitions are possible unless you want dynamic partitions and those are a mess - let's not even discuss dynamics here.

But you can also have 3 primaries and one extended. Then you can create up to 120 additional logical partitions because the extended serves as the mother of those.

Then why are there always so many primary partitions on the OEM systems - beats me. It is a bad habit and traps the user that is not familiar with the partition structure. But as we are moving from NTFS to GPT, things change. In GPT you do not have those restrictions but that is a tutorial for another day.

I hope that makes it a bit clearer. Questions ??



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26 Mar 2014   #92
Frogpond51

Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit & Windows XP Pro (Dual Boot)
 
 

Hi WHS,
Thanks for your reply and info. It's all still a little new and vague to me. But your input does help to clarify it a bit. I do expect the size of C: (Win7) to increase over time. When I make future image backups, and in the event I run out of space on G:, would it be possible to just delete the older images to make more space? Or would it be better to try and re-partition to a bigger partition if this 'Is' the 'mother' of the rest of my future logical drives? Any hazards in doing that? As you can see, I am a bit lost & appreciate any professional help I can get.
Opinions please? and Thank You!
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26 Mar 2014   #93
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

If you are happy with 3 images at each time, then there is no need to increase the size of the partition. You can delete the older images like any other file - just right click on the image file you want delete.

It is, however, always a good idea to keep one of the very early images of the installation in case you ever want to 'reinstall'. I always make an image right after the system was set-up, updates were run and I have installed the essential programs (e.g. Office). Then I don't have to go thru that again when I want to 'reinstall'.

Of course when my system goes belly up for whatever reason or if I catch a virus, I recover from a recent image - no need to go back in time.

I also recommend to get an external disk and make images to that. I alternate between 3 disks - 1 internal and 2 external. They have a total of 3 TB and serve 3 systems. An SSHD would be a good option because they are fast. I recently lost my whole internal imaging partition out of the blue for no reason I can figure out - see here. That partition vanished for no reason at all. That cannot happen with the external disks because those are disconnected when not in use.

And don't worry about the 'mother partition'. Even if you scrap it, nothing will happen. It is only a way looking at it, but in reality it is a bit more complex.
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26 Mar 2014   #94
Frogpond51

Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit & Windows XP Pro (Dual Boot)
 
 

Thank you WHS for the input and info. Yes I plan to make images of Win7 & XP on external hard drive. The only one I have right now is just a USB connected HDD and that will take a few hours. Was nice that I could image Win7 internally onto another drive in about 10 minutes! nice!
Thanks for turning me onto Macrium Reflect to image the drives and your help & hand holding through the process.

as they say in Siberia " mucho gracius!"
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26 Mar 2014   #95
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

With an USB attached disk it should not take hours. I have made performance comparisons with a medium large image. Have a look.

SSHD - Performance comparison with HDD and SSD
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26 Mar 2014   #96
Frogpond51

Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit & Windows XP Pro (Dual Boot)
 
 

that doesn't look as slow as I thought. bearable for a slow newb like me. thanks for the link WHS.
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26 Mar 2014   #97
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

In addition, when you run Macrium, there is a hide button. Click that and go on with your work. Nothing bad will happen. Macrium takes a shadow at the very beginning and images from that, not from the system you are working on. Of course, if you add or delete things during the imaging time, that will not be reflected in the image.

So with that it is irrelevant how much time it takes to make the image. Restoring an image is another matter. There you have to wait.
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26 Mar 2014   #98
Frogpond51

Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit & Windows XP Pro (Dual Boot)
 
 

yup, understood WHS, I usually, as a preference, don't usually run anything or go online while I make an image or backup. call me old fashioned. And figured the restore would be slower, especially with an external USB connected HDD not 2.0. With the new technology evolving every day, hard for a old dog like me to learn, let alone, keep up. but I do know the SSD I'm using for Win7 is stinking fast and I like it. not familiar with SSHDs so, don't know how that would compare. I'll look it up on the internet and see what that is.
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26 Mar 2014   #99
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

You can still learn lots of stuff. You are probably younger than I am and I learn new stuff every day. Have a look what new stuff I made today - yesterday I had no clue how that works. See post #7.

How to make Portable Windows system (any version)

Btw - SSHDs are HDDs with a SSD as cache.
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27 Mar 2014   #100
Frogpond51

Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit & Windows XP Pro (Dual Boot)
 
 

heehee, ya WHS, I'm only 63, so that makes you the old Big Dog, I'm just a pup
yes I'm interested in learning and I think it is great that you have learned so much.
I envy people with some of their computer knowledge. Have a couple of kids who have way more knowledge than me, but I try to learn as much as I can without bothering them too much. Glad there are help forums like this to help me out of a jam & learn something too.
Haven't tried to make a OS flash drive or worked with any VM ware yet, but I would like to try that someday.
Your post on your link looks great!
Cheers!
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