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Windows 7: windows 7 warning for outlook express users

28 Apr 2010   #1
craig1000

windows 7
 
 
windows 7 warning for outlook express users

I had to move up, should I say down, to Windows 7 from XP a few weeks back. If I had the time, I would have a bought another XP computer, but I had to have one that day and a problem forced me to get Windows 7. Unfortunately, it's worse than XP in many ways and I can't believe MS did it again. They should have just built on XP. I could go on with all the things that are worse, but the biggest problem is Outlook Express is long gone. So here is a warning to all those who love OE.

I came from DOS and started with computers in 1988 and watched every system improve up through XP, then VISTA was a disaster and I see the same in Windows 7. This is why people are moving to Macs. But the biggest problem is having to use Outlook, which is far inferior to Outlook Express. Hard to believe but many actions take many extra moves.

Almost every action requires a few extra moves. Want to Copy messages to a folder - can't do it in the supposedly superior Outlook. Want to delete a file or even just move it to folder and then move it again. Sometimes, you can't undelete them or move them. I haven't figured out why but some message comes up that the message was already moved and you can't move it again. I could name a few dozen more operations, but the main thing is DON'T GET WINDOWS 7 if you can because you will hate Outlook. It has many options but can't do many things OE can. Outlook is like driving down the road in a motorhome, with every option in the world available and all you want is a good car with simple basic controls to get you around. Microsoft did it again.

I would pay a couple hundred dollars right now to have Outlook Express. Yes, I would buy it. MS just doesn't get it.

Does anyone know a great email program so I can trash Outlook?


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28 Apr 2010   #2
Casca

 

Since Outlook doesn't come with any version of Windows, I miss your point.
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28 Apr 2010   #3
Ex_Brit

Win 7 Ult SP1/Win 8.1 Pro w/MC (all x64)
 
 

You'll see prompts all the time because it's much more secure than XP, something you should be greatful for. XP will die in 2014 anyway, so look at it this way, your prepared for that.

You can download Windows Live Mail and use that, it's like a glorified OE anyway, or with a lot of jiggery-pokery you can get Vista Windows Mail, which is the successor to OE, working in Windows 7.

See this tutorial: Windows Mail

By the way, you can thank various Governments, US and EU for the missing "bits". It wasn't Microsoft's fault.
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28 Apr 2010   #4
craig1000

windows 7
 
 
outlook express

Yes - Windows 7 comes with Windows Live, but it has many failings compared to Outlook Express.

Correct that Oulook does not come with Windows 7, it comes with MS Office. But since Windows Live is nothing compared to Express, no one wants that, so you have to go to Outlook - especially if you want to import your Express emails.

I started with Outlook Express back when it started - a decade ago or so. At one point I considered moving to Outlook since it always came with Office, but I backed out after testing it. It's not as good and many steps require an extra move to do something. You would think Outlook would do what Express does but more, but Outlook is limited in many ways and can't do things Express can. It's actually inferior in many actions.

A simple example I gave earlier. You can't even Copy messages to a folder and sometimes when they've been moved once, you can't move them again, even some if you deleted them by mistake. Go to the Outlook forums. People complain these things happen with the supposedly superior program.
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28 Apr 2010   #5
fseal

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
 
 

Live mail you can copy things to folders all day manually or automatically.

It really is just OE with a warmed over UI and seperate folders for each mail account, but all the functionality (that I ever used anyway) is the same.
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28 Apr 2010   #6
CarlTR6

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by craig1000 View Post
I had to move up, should I say down, to Windows 7 from XP a few weeks back. If I had the time, I would have a bought another XP computer, but I had to have one that day and a problem forced me to get Windows 7. Unfortunately, it's worse than XP in many ways and I can't believe MS did it again. They should have just built on XP. I could go on with all the things that are worse, but the biggest problem is Outlook Express is long gone. So here is a warning to all those who love OE.

I came from DOS and started with computers in 1988 and watched every system improve up through XP, then VISTA was a disaster and I see the same in Windows 7. This is why people are moving to Macs. But the biggest problem is having to use Outlook, which is far inferior to Outlook Express. Hard to believe but many actions take many extra moves.

Almost every action requires a few extra moves. Want to Copy messages to a folder - can't do it in the supposedly superior Outlook. Want to delete a file or even just move it to folder and then move it again. Sometimes, you can't undelete them or move them. I haven't figured out why but some message comes up that the message was already moved and you can't move it again. I could name a few dozen more operations, but the main thing is DON'T GET WINDOWS 7 if you can because you will hate Outlook. It has many options but can't do many things OE can. Outlook is like driving down the road in a motorhome, with every option in the world available and all you want is a good car with simple basic controls to get you around. Microsoft did it again.

I would pay a couple hundred dollars right now to have Outlook Express. Yes, I would buy it. MS just doesn't get it.

Does anyone know a great email program so I can trash Outlook?
This is the second thread in which you have posted this diatribe. So you don't like Outlook; that's OK. Download and install Thunderbird.

And Outlook does not come with Win 7; I think you are just grinding an axe against MS.
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28 Apr 2010   #7
bobtran

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Definately recommend Thunderbird with the lightning add-in for the calendaring.
This is my choice for email. I just don't like the "LIVE" versions. I like to keep it close to home, but I am old fashioned and think it is MY email to do with it as I please.

I use this for email on XP machines as well as Win7 machines. Never did like the
Windows Live mail client that came with Vista.

I wish you good luck with your dilemma.
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28 Apr 2010   #8
pezzonovante

Windows 7 RTM x86
 
 

Windows Live Mail is the most user friendly email client ever. Plus it's one of the best feed reader software too.
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28 Apr 2010   #9
Dzomlija

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote:
What are your email options in Windows 7?

For more than a decade, through numerous new operating systems, I have always used the latest version of Microsoft Outlook as my email client. I like Outlook for its integration with Exchange Server and its integration of email with my calendar, contacts and tasks, and each new version has been better than the last. I currently use the beta of Outlook 2010, which has some really great features and which I reviewed back in the December 17 edition of this newsletter, along with other Office 2010 programs. You can read the archive of that article at
Win7News - Office 2010 Gives Windows 7 a Whole New Outlook

The only problem with Outlook (or what we got into the habit of calling "Big Outlook" during the time when Microsoft's free email client was Outlook Express) is that you have to pay for it - usually a little under $100 (You can buy Outlook 2007 from Amazon for $87.94 at the time of this writing). To me, it's well worth the price, since I depend on my email, calendar and contacts for doing business. However, some folks don't want to or can't afford to pay for an email program.

Many of those folks used Outlook Express for many years. OE was introduced in 1997 as part of Internet Explorer 4.0 and was included in Windows 98, 2000, Me and XP. Recently, as many XP users have bought new computers that come with Windows 7, they have been unhappy to find that part of Microsoft's initiative to cut down on "operating system bloat" included leaving out some of the extra applications - such as the email client.
Read the full article here.
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29 Apr 2010   #10
clunkfish

Windows 7 Enterprise x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by craig1000 View Post
A simple example I gave earlier. You can't even Copy messages to a folder
  1. Highlight the messages you want to copy.
  2. Hold down Ctrl.
  3. Drag messages to destination folder.
  4. Job done.
This is normal Windows behaviour - drag to move, Ctrl-drag to copy - and it works fine in Outlook
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