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Windows 7: x58A-UD3R - included: Dump & System files

15 Oct 2010   #51
hello people

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit

Maybe I should just buy new ram....but 1600 again??

I'm floundering here...out of my depth

BTW...thanks all for trying to help me...and can I ask a question.....for those who know the thread....

What is your gut instinct? Do you think my ram is bad?

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15 Oct 2010   #52

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Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64

Your motherboard is fine, maybe a BIOS issue, but as spyknee mentioned, he has the same motherboard and no problems.

I would get new RAM, make sure it is listed on you motherboard QVL.
Several things about your current RAM suggest it will not work correctly on your motherboard.

Since your RAM is fairly new you should be able to return it and get the correct RAM for your motherboard.
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15 Oct 2010   #53
hello people

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit

If I buy new ram....what bios should I use? Last official one?

Would I just install the ram physically and the bios will do the rest?

Will I have to go back to bios for my new ram to adjust its settings?
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15 Oct 2010   #54

W7 Ulti/64, XP Pro/32

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by hello people View Post
Maybe I should just buy new ram....but 1600 again??

I'm floundering here...out of my depth

BTW...thanks all for trying to help me...and can I ask a question.....for those who know the thread....

What is your gut instinct? Do you think my ram is bad?

The bios needs to be set proper for hardware you have. Turn off all the goodies that are suppose to conserve power or slow down the cpu for usage considerations.

Get a stable unchanging baseline. Hell I could just put up my cpu and ram settings but mine aren't yours. Go into bios set it to your hardware.
Look you have a 2.8GHz cpu, your multiplier is gonna be greater than 12. Your default base clck is 133. 133 x 12 =?
Cpu z has you at 1.5GHz. So to raise cpu to 2.8 you either increase the multiplier,
133 X 20 = ? or you increase the base clck, 140 X 12 =

Base clck x multiplier = CPU MHz

? X 12 = 2800MHz or
133 X ? = 2800MHz

Disable iest

Now based on what your ram ratio is, it will change the rams MHz setting based on the base clck.
Ram you put in the voltage manually, you set the initial timings manually, you dither with the rato untill it works with base clck to get 1600MHz setting.

base clck x dram ratio = ram MHz
133 x 10 to 2 = 1600MHz

Do not hold me to the exact math, illustration only. Do you have enough to experiment???

You see why I say theres a balance.

You buy another board but still do not set it up correctly.....................................
slow down and experiment, go in and make the numbers move. If its already broken, you can't hurt it. And if it is broken, expose yourself to what to expect with the replacement.
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15 Oct 2010   #55
hello people

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit

I can get all those figures as you say in CPUZ....I can get 2.8....I can get 1600 ram...everything works...

I just can not cold boot

Seriously...I have tweaked bios carefully...testing....cpuz tells me my cpu is at 2.8...cpuz tells me my ram is at 1600

I'll post you the screenshot to prove it!

So which setting do I adjust/ test to stop it from failing on a cold boot???

But a cold boot just doesn't work.

So I don't know what to do now
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15 Oct 2010   #56

W7 Ulti/64, XP Pro/32

Frustrating I know.
You say that you can get hardware settings in, at the manufacturers specs, yes?

You can set the bios up and get POST, yes?

You say cold boots are the hang ups, how have you got passed the bsod?

If you can get booted to windows, do so and leave on all night. No hibernate just and S1 sleep. Make sure all the case connections are correct. Power button, reset button etc...
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15 Oct 2010   #57
hello people

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit

Yes to all those questions I can get the hardware specs I get past BSOD on a cold boot......I just restart restart restart until the ******* boots. Sometimes I unplug HD cables and replug in.

Leave it on all night.........what's the reason for doing this?

Will it make my computer work on a cold boot?

Will it help in some way?
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16 Oct 2010   #58
hello people

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit

May I offer a summary of where I'm at now?

Ok thanks...where do I begin!? At the beginning.

Some preliminaries (my PC now):

OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
CPU i7 930 2.8g
Motherboard x58A-Ud3R rev2.0 FC2 (FC2 is the latest beta BIOS, sent to me personally by Gigabyte)
Memory 6gig ADATA DDR3 1600
Graphics Card HIS ETI pcie HD5670
Sound Card Presonus Firebox
Monitor(s) Displays 19" LG Flatron
PSU Cooler Master 700W Silent Pro
Case Antec
Cooling Zalman CPU Cooler CNPS10x-Quiet
Hard Drives 2x1TB Seagate Sata2 7200

So two weeks ago it was time to buy a new PC. The last one I had I built in 2005. I assembled components for what I thought would be a powerful system for recording audio and mixing audio. These were the components on my list:

Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R Rev2.0
6 GB (2 x 3 GB) Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 8-8-8-24 DDR3 1600 RAM
Zalman CNPS10X Quiet CPU Cooler
HIS H465PS1GH Radeon HD 4650 fanless Video Card (I did not end up getting this card. I got the one listed above)
(2) Samsung F3 500 GB Hard Drives
Pioneer DVD-RW with Lightscribe
Cooler Master Silent Pro M700 PSU
Antec Solo Case

I showed this list to my friend (quite good with computers) and he suggested that the ram was not recommended I get this ram:

A-DATA AX3U DDR3 - 1600g (9) 2G9-1G 2Gx16
A70-090131 Gaming Series
Voltage: 1.55-1.75v
CL: 9-9-9-24

Here's some pictures of one of the modules:

Ok...I came home and assembled the components carefully. In the back of my mind I kind of suspected there might be some teething problems especially considering my very low level knowledge of BIOS and RAM configurations. I hoped that the default BIOS configurations would be enough to drive my hardware to the best of its its spec. Anyway, the build was successful. The OS installed nicely and the PC booted up first go. I was pretty happy. I used the computer normally for 1 week. I installed some software...the usual things. Then after about a week I got curious...I wanted to find some apps to look under the hood. I started using CPUZ, realtemp and generally looking in Task Manager at things like Performance and Resource Monitor.

The first suspect thing I noticed was that not all of my RAM was being recognised. I had 3x2g modules in there but only one was being recognised. I also noticed when looking in Task Manager/ Resource Monitor/ Memory/ Hardware Reserved that 4096mb were allocated to 'Hardware Reserve'. This didn't sound right so I googled it. I found out that typically the Hardware Reserved is value is more like 10-60mb! So...I googled these problems and found out that the fix was commonly found to be a BIOS update. I went to the Gigabyte site and downloaded the newest official BIOS called FB. I flashed BIOS (from within BIOS) and rebooted. It was successful....all RAM modules showed up and my Hardware Reserved value was 2mb! I thought I was in the clear.

So I shut down the PC and went to work. In the afternoon I came home and turned my computer on....failure. I did not get any specific actual blue screen....the PC just keep cycling. It would reach the Windows loading screen and reboot itself. I was pretty worried! So anyway all I could do was turn it off. All I could think to do was to disconnect the HD cables (both the power and sata cables). I plugged them back in again and rebooted...and it worked. Then for a while as I restarted sometimes it would boot, other times not. That was maybe a week ago. Every cold boot for a week has failed. Eventually the PC boots. Once it's booted it seems to run fine. It's fast and responsive...but using the utilities like CPUZ and realtemp...I knew that there were problems.

For seemed that the RAM was not running at 1600. It also seemed that the CPU was not running to it's potential. That's when I started looking on forums to find an answer to the cold boot issues and to the RAM/ CPU issues. I opened up the hugest can of computing worms I've ever seen. There's people out there with this x58A-UD3R board in all sorts of trouble. I followed all kinds of advice...I used BIOS versions FB, FC1, FC2...I altered BIOS settings at will. dRam values, qpi/vtt, memory timings, uncore values, memory multi values. My aim was to get the RAM to run at spec and the CPU to do the same. Nothing I tried worked. The PC continued to fail on cold boots. Sometimes an actual blue screen would show...other times not. In altering settings in BIOS it seems that I was able to get the PC to run at spec. The CPU reported something like 2900mhz...slightly above the 2.8 spec. The RAM also ran at 1600. But the PC failed on cold boots every time.

I never went back to the initial BIOS FA to check that.

Before I forget...some info about my RAM...and the compatibility list:

A-DATA OC Offical Website

Compatibility List I will show you my FC2 BIOS settings as they are now and with the PC idle. Also I'll post some images of CPUZ and realtemp.

These are in no real order...but they should cover pretty much all the main sections and subsections of my BIOS:

Well...that is about at...can you please have a look...and if there is any other info you need or you think would be helpful, let me know

thanks very much :P
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16 Oct 2010   #59

W7 Ulti/64, XP Pro/32

GA-X58A-UD3R (rev. 2.0) - GIGABYTE

This is your board ?

Does not support 1600MHz ram?????????????????? or its not listed anyways. Goes from 1333 to 2200MHz??????

Use the FB bios listed. No BETA's from somewhere else.
your cpu, under dram specs only 800/1066 is listed???????????????????

You say you can get spec settings, So do so.
CPU at 2800MHZ at 1.3volts
RAM at 1600MHz at 1.7volts, timings all auto. 9-9-9-24 at 1T is what you would put in manually. Remove all sticks but 1, in slot closest CPU.
Run memtest on that stick, maybe two passes. Any errors, mark stick and put in a different one. Get 1 with no errors.
Remove sound card, vid card closet PCI slot to cpu.

Bios suggestions,

cpu warn temp enable
cpu fan fail enable
smart fan disable

ACPI suspend type S1
Soft Off by PWR But 4 sec off
PME...... disable
power on by ring disable
HPET disable
power on mouse and keyboard disable

Is your drive SATA 3 ready
SATA 3 firmware selection ??????

SATA Port 0-3 native mode enable

full screen logo disable
init display first choose pci-e if your card ready

Intel turbo boost disable
cpu eist disable

cpu vcore 1.3volts
dram volts 1.7

system mem multi manual ???? you want 1600MHz
performance enhance standard or lowest option

base clck get a 2800MHz cpu

Turning off Intel boost will only allow for a 20x multi, so

base clck x multi = 2800MHz
? x 20 = 2800MHz
base clck = 140
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16 Oct 2010   #60
hello people

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit

I think it would be better to just go and get 1066 ram

I don't want to OC my PC just so I can run ram that would give a barely noticeably increase in performance

.....but the only 1066 ram on the compat sheet that is of any note (in terms of manufacturer) is:

Kingston KVR1066D3N7/2G

And besides.............SO MANY people ARE getting their x58A-UD3r boards to work with 1600 ram
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