Windows 7: BSOD probably related to Ati catalyst center.

majie · 14 Mar 2011

Symptoms are mostly that the whole start bar goes 16bit and the screen flickers and sometimes i can just continue but also sometimes i get the BSOD. Hope someone can find what program is causing this.

- x86 (32-bit) or x64 Im running 32 bit home premium
- the original installed OS on the system Windows XP home 32bit.
- an OEM or full retail version Think its oem.
- OEM = came pre-installed on system
- Full Retail = you purchased it from retailer

- What is the age of system (hardware)? 3-4 years.
- What is the age of OS installation 3months.

DeanP · 14 Mar 2011

Hello,
- Boot into Safe Mode with Networking
- Uninstall the Display Drivers including Catalyst Control Center
- Use Driver Sweeper to sweep the traces of the driver Guru3D - Driver Sweeper
- Reboot into normal mode
- Install the latest version http://sites.amd.com/us/game/downloa...n_win7-32.aspx

Also, update this 2004 ASACPI.sys driver,

Code:

ASACPI.sys   Fri Aug 13 14:52:52 2004

Information

The 2004 version of this driver is a known BSOD cause.
Please visit this link: ASUSTeK Computer Inc.-Support- download_item_mkt
Scroll down to the Utilities category, then scroll down to the "ATK0110 driver for WindowsXP/Vista/Windows 7 32&64-bit " (it's about the 12th item down).
Download and install it.
Go to C:\Windows\System32\drivers to check and make sure that the ASACPI.sys file is date stamped from 2009 or 2010 (NOT 2004).

If problem persists, it sounds like a faulty GPU to me... STOP 0x116: VIDEO_TDR_ERROR troubleshooting

Regards...
Dean

Code:

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*                        Bugcheck Analysis                                    *
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VIDEO_TDR_FAILURE (116)

Code:

 
Attempt to reset the display driver and recover from timeout failed.
Arguments:
Arg1: 884fa510, Optional pointer to internal TDR recovery context (TDR_RECOVERY_CONTEXT).
Arg2: 91306c7a, The pointer into responsible device driver module (e.g. owner tag).
Arg3: 00000000, Optional error code (NTSTATUS) of the last failed operation.
Arg4: 0000000d, Optional internal context dependent data.

Debugging Details: 
------------------

*** WARNING: Unable to verify timestamp for atikmpag.sys 
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for atikmpag.sys

FAULTING_IP:  
atikmpag+5c7a
91306c7a 8bff            mov     edi,edi

DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID:  GRAPHICS_DRIVER_TDR_FAULT 

CUSTOMER_CRASH_COUNT:  1 

BUGCHECK_STR:  0x116 

PROCESS_NAME:  System 

CURRENT_IRQL:  0 

STACK_TEXT:   
8d387b74 913ccc26 00000116 884fa510 91306c7a nt!KeBugCheckEx+0x1e
8d387b98 913cda45 91306c7a 00000000 0000000d dxgkrnl!TdrBugcheckOnTimeout+0x8d
8d387bbc 927c092c 00000000 00000102 8680e008 dxgkrnl!TdrIsRecoveryRequired+0xb8
8d387c34 927ea972 fffffcfb 00b27dc1 00000000 dxgmms1!VidSchiReportHwHang+0x3c0
8d387c5c 927eb065 00000000 00000000 00000000 dxgmms1!VidSchiCheckHwProgress+0x96
8d387c98 927c78f0 8d387c90 853997a0 87482088 dxgmms1!VidSchiWaitForSchedulerEvents+0x1b1
8d387d28 927ec3c9 8680e008 82a543e1 8680e008 dxgmms1!VidSchiScheduleCommandToRun+0xaa
8d387d3c 927ec485 8680e008 00000000 86d27030 dxgmms1!VidSchiRun_PriorityTable+0xf
8d387d50 82c269df 8680e008 bf4abf93 00000000 dxgmms1!VidSchiWorkerThread+0x7f
8d387d90 82ad81d9 927ec406 8680e008 00000000 nt!PspSystemThreadStartup+0x9e
00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 nt!KiThreadStartup+0x19


STACK_COMMAND:  .bugcheck ; kb 

FOLLOWUP_IP:  
atikmpag+5c7a
91306c7a 8bff            mov     edi,edi

SYMBOL_NAME:  atikmpag+5c7a 

FOLLOWUP_NAME:  MachineOwner 

MODULE_NAME: atikmpag 

IMAGE_NAME:  atikmpag.sys 

DEBUG_FLR_IMAGE_TIMESTAMP:  4d409c77 

FAILURE_BUCKET_ID:  0x116_IMAGE_atikmpag.sys 

BUCKET_ID:  0x116_IMAGE_atikmpag.sys 

Followup: MachineOwner 
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0: kd> lmtsmn 
start    end        module name
93ab5000 93ae1000   1394ohci 1394ohci.sys Tue Jul 14 11:51:59 2009 (4A5BC89F)
8b6b7000 8b6ff000   ACPI     ACPI.sys     Tue Jul 14 11:11:11 2009 (4A5BBF0F)
90f67000 90fc1000   afd      afd.sys      Tue Jul 14 11:12:34 2009 (4A5BBF62)
93b45000 93b57000   AgileVpn AgileVpn.sys Tue Jul 14 11:55:00 2009 (4A5BC954)
8b623000 8b62c000   amdxata  amdxata.sys  Wed May 20 05:57:35 2009 (4A12F30F)
93b36000 93b37420   ASACPI   ASACPI.sys   Fri Aug 13 14:52:52 2004 (411C2D04)
a88a9000 a88b2000   asyncmac asyncmac.sys Tue Jul 14 11:54:46 2009 (4A5BC946)
8b7dc000 8b7e5000   atapi    atapi.sys    Tue Jul 14 11:11:15 2009 (4A5BBF13)
8b600000 8b623000   ataport  ataport.SYS  Tue Jul 14 11:11:18 2009 (4A5BBF16)
93ceb000 93d07000   AtihdW73 AtihdW73.sys Thu Nov 18 01:00:47 2010 (4CE3C3EF)
92034000 927ba000   atikmdag atikmdag.sys Thu Jan 27 11:42:31 2011 (4D40A357)
91301000 91340000   atikmpag atikmpag.sys Thu Jan 27 11:13:11 2011 (4D409C77)
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91294000 91299940   avgmfx86 avgmfx86.sys Mon Apr 26 09:05:02 2010 (4BD4AE7E)
90efb000 90f34b00   avgtdix  avgtdix.sys  Fri Jun 04 09:08:25 2010 (4C0819C9)
90e67000 90e6e000   Beep     Beep.SYS     Tue Jul 14 11:45:00 2009 (4A5BC6FC)
91286000 91294000   blbdrive blbdrive.sys Tue Jul 14 11:23:04 2009 (4A5BC1D8)
8b49e000 8b4a6000   BOOTVID  BOOTVID.dll  Tue Jul 14 13:04:34 2009 (4A5BD9A2)
822f4000 8230d000   bowser   bowser.sys   Tue Jul 14 11:14:21 2009 (4A5BBFCD)
99a00000 99a1e000   cdd      cdd.dll      unavailable (00000000)
90e41000 90e60000   cdrom    cdrom.sys    Tue Jul 14 11:11:24 2009 (4A5BBF1C)
8b4e8000 8b593000   CI       CI.dll       Tue Jul 14 13:09:28 2009 (4A5BDAC8)
8b9d5000 8b9fa000   CLASSPNP CLASSPNP.SYS Tue Jul 14 11:11:20 2009 (4A5BBF18)
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8ba0d000 8ba6a000   cng      cng.sys      Tue Jul 14 11:32:55 2009 (4A5BC427)
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93da9000 93db6000   crashdmp crashdmp.sys Tue Jul 14 11:45:50 2009 (4A5BC72E)
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91262000 9126e000   discache discache.sys Tue Jul 14 11:24:04 2009 (4A5BC214)
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93c43000 93c7e000   dtsoftbus01 dtsoftbus01.sys Thu Jan 13 21:26:59 2011 (4D2EB753)
93db6000 93dc0000   dump_diskdump dump_diskdump.sys Tue Jul 13 15:24:27 2010 (4C3BDC6B)
93de5000 93df6000   dump_dumpfve dump_dumpfve.sys Tue Jul 14 11:12:47 2009 (4A5BBF6F)
93dc0000 93de5000   dump_nvstor dump_nvstor.sys Wed May 20 18:44:09 2009 (4A13A6B9)
93d9f000 93da9000   Dxapi    Dxapi.sys    Tue Jul 14 11:25:25 2009 (4A5BC265)
91340000 913f7000   dxgkrnl  dxgkrnl.sys  Tue Nov 02 15:37:53 2010 (4CCF7981)
927ba000 927f3000   dxgmms1  dxgmms1.sys  Thu Feb 03 16:34:49 2011 (4D4A2259)
9c793000 9c7bd000   fastfat  fastfat.SYS  Tue Jul 14 11:14:01 2009 (4A5BBFB9)
9201f000 9202a000   fdc      fdc.sys      Tue Jul 14 11:45:45 2009 (4A5BC729)
8b857000 8b868000   fileinfo fileinfo.sys Tue Jul 14 11:21:51 2009 (4A5BC18F)
93c8c000 93c96000   flpydisk flpydisk.sys Tue Jul 14 11:45:45 2009 (4A5BC729)
8b823000 8b857000   fltmgr   fltmgr.sys   Tue Jul 14 11:11:13 2009 (4A5BBF11)
8ba78000 8ba81000   Fs_Rec   Fs_Rec.sys   unavailable (00000000)
8bbc8000 8bbfa000   fvevol   fvevol.sys   Sat Sep 26 14:24:21 2009 (4ABD7B55)
8bd60000 8bd91000   fwpkclnt fwpkclnt.sys Tue Jul 14 11:12:03 2009 (4A5BBF43)
82e28000 82e5f000   hal      halmacpi.dll Tue Jul 14 11:11:03 2009 (4A5BBF07)
92000000 9201f000   HDAudBus HDAudBus.sys Tue Jul 14 11:50:55 2009 (4A5BC85F)
93d4f000 93d9f000   HdAudio  HdAudio.sys  Tue Jul 14 11:51:46 2009 (4A5BC892)
93a00000 93a13000   HIDCLASS HIDCLASS.SYS Tue Jul 14 11:51:01 2009 (4A5BC865)
93df8000 93dfe480   HIDPARSE HIDPARSE.SYS Tue Jul 14 11:50:59 2009 (4A5BC863)
93bf1000 93bfc000   hidusb   hidusb.sys   Tue Jul 14 11:51:04 2009 (4A5BC868)
8226f000 822f4000   HTTP     HTTP.sys     Tue Jul 14 11:12:53 2009 (4A5BBF75)
8bde8000 8bdf0000   hwpolicy hwpolicy.sys Tue Jul 14 11:11:01 2009 (4A5BBF05)
93a2c000 93a44000   i8042prt i8042prt.sys Tue Jul 14 11:11:23 2009 (4A5BBF1B)
912ef000 91301000   intelppm intelppm.sys Tue Jul 14 11:11:03 2009 (4A5BBF07)
93be2000 93bef000   kbdclass kbdclass.sys Tue Jul 14 11:11:15 2009 (4A5BBF13)
927f3000 927ff000   kbdhid   kbdhid.sys   Tue Jul 14 11:45:09 2009 (4A5BC705)
80bb7000 80bbf000   kdcom    kdcom.dll    Tue Jul 14 13:08:58 2009 (4A5BDAAA)
93c0f000 93c43000   ks       ks.sys       Thu Mar 04 16:57:52 2010 (4B8F2FC0)
8b9c2000 8b9d5000   ksecdd   ksecdd.sys   Tue Jul 14 11:11:56 2009 (4A5BBF3C)
8bb76000 8bb9b000   ksecpkg  ksecpkg.sys  Fri Dec 11 17:04:22 2009 (4B21C4C6)
8224c000 8225c000   lltdio   lltdio.sys   Tue Jul 14 11:53:18 2009 (4A5BC8EE)
82217000 82232000   luafv    luafv.sys    Tue Jul 14 11:15:44 2009 (4A5BC020)
8b415000 8b48d000   mcupdate_GenuineIntel mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll Tue Jul 14 13:06:41 2009 (4A5BDA21)
93c00000 93c0b000   monitor  monitor.sys  Tue Jul 14 11:25:58 2009 (4A5BC286)
93a44000 93a51000   mouclass mouclass.sys Tue Jul 14 11:11:15 2009 (4A5BBF13)
91200000 9120b000   mouhid   mouhid.sys   Tue Jul 14 11:45:08 2009 (4A5BC704)
8b7c6000 8b7dc000   mountmgr mountmgr.sys Tue Jul 14 11:11:27 2009 (4A5BBF1F)
8230d000 8231f000   mpsdrv   mpsdrv.sys   Tue Jul 14 11:52:52 2009 (4A5BC8D4)
8231f000 82342000   mrxsmb   mrxsmb.sys   Sat Feb 27 20:32:02 2010 (4B88CA72)
82342000 8237d000   mrxsmb10 mrxsmb10.sys Sat Feb 27 20:32:21 2010 (4B88CA85)
8237d000 82398000   mrxsmb20 mrxsmb20.sys Sat Feb 27 20:32:11 2010 (4B88CA7B)
90ec0000 90ecb000   Msfs     Msfs.SYS     Tue Jul 14 11:11:26 2009 (4A5BBF1E)
8b708000 8b710000   msisadrv msisadrv.sys Tue Jul 14 11:11:09 2009 (4A5BBF0D)
8b997000 8b9c2000   msrpc    msrpc.sys    unavailable (00000000)
91258000 91262000   mssmbios mssmbios.sys Tue Jul 14 11:19:25 2009 (4A5BC0FD)
8bdd8000 8bde8000   mup      mup.sys      Tue Jul 14 11:14:14 2009 (4A5BBFC6)
8ba81000 8bb38000   ndis     ndis.sys     Tue Jul 14 11:12:24 2009 (4A5BBF58)
93b6f000 93b7a000   ndistapi ndistapi.sys Tue Jul 14 11:54:24 2009 (4A5BC930)
93b7a000 93b9c000   ndiswan  ndiswan.sys  Tue Jul 14 11:54:34 2009 (4A5BC93A)
93cda000 93ceb000   NDProxy  NDProxy.SYS  Tue Jul 14 11:54:27 2009 (4A5BC933)
90fe7000 90ff5000   netbios  netbios.sys  Tue Jul 14 11:53:54 2009 (4A5BC912)
90f35000 90f67000   netbt    netbt.sys    Tue Jul 14 11:12:18 2009 (4A5BBF52)
8bb38000 8bb76000   NETIO    NETIO.SYS    Tue Jul 14 11:12:35 2009 (4A5BBF63)
90ecb000 90ed9000   Npfs     Npfs.SYS     Tue Jul 14 11:11:31 2009 (4A5BBF23)
9124e000 91258000   nsiproxy nsiproxy.sys Tue Jul 14 11:12:08 2009 (4A5BBF48)
82a18000 82e28000   nt       ntkrpamp.exe Wed Oct 27 15:30:44 2010 (4CC78ED4)
8b868000 8b997000   Ntfs     Ntfs.sys     Tue Jul 14 11:12:05 2009 (4A5BBF45)
90e60000 90e67000   Null     Null.SYS     unavailable (00000000)
93ae1000 93b35c80   nvm62x32 nvm62x32.sys Sat Oct 18 10:00:39 2008 (48F8FCF7)
8b593000 8b5b8000   nvstor   nvstor.sys   Wed May 20 18:44:09 2009 (4A13A6B9)
90fc8000 90fe7000   pacer    pacer.sys    Tue Jul 14 11:53:58 2009 (4A5BC916)
93a14000 93a2c000   parport  parport.sys  Tue Jul 14 11:45:34 2009 (4A5BC71E)
8b745000 8b756000   partmgr  partmgr.sys  Tue Jul 14 11:11:35 2009 (4A5BBF27)
82398000 8239f000   parvdm   parvdm.sys   unavailable (00000000)
8b710000 8b73a000   pci      pci.sys      Tue Jul 14 11:11:16 2009 (4A5BBF14)
8b7b1000 8b7b8000   pciide   pciide.sys   Tue Jul 14 11:11:19 2009 (4A5BBF17)
8b7b8000 8b7c6000   PCIIDEX  PCIIDEX.SYS  Tue Jul 14 11:11:15 2009 (4A5BBF13)
8ba6a000 8ba78000   pcw      pcw.sys      Tue Jul 14 11:11:10 2009 (4A5BBF0E)
9c624000 9c6bb000   peauth   peauth.sys   Tue Jul 14 12:35:44 2009 (4A5BD2E0)
93d07000 93d36000   portcls  portcls.sys  Tue Jul 14 11:51:00 2009 (4A5BC864)
8b48d000 8b49e000   PSHED    PSHED.dll    Tue Jul 14 13:09:36 2009 (4A5BDAD0)
93b57000 93b6f000   rasl2tp  rasl2tp.sys  Tue Jul 14 11:54:33 2009 (4A5BC939)
93b9c000 93bb4000   raspppoe raspppoe.sys Tue Jul 14 11:54:53 2009 (4A5BC94D)
93bb4000 93bcb000   raspptp  raspptp.sys  Tue Jul 14 11:54:47 2009 (4A5BC947)
93bcb000 93be2000   rassstp  rassstp.sys  Tue Jul 14 11:54:57 2009 (4A5BC951)
9120d000 9124e000   rdbss    rdbss.sys    Tue Jul 14 11:14:26 2009 (4A5BBFD2)
90ea8000 90eb0000   RDPCDD   RDPCDD.sys   Tue Jul 14 12:01:40 2009 (4A5BCAE4)
90eb0000 90eb8000   rdpencdd rdpencdd.sys Tue Jul 14 12:01:39 2009 (4A5BCAE3)
90eb8000 90ec0000   rdprefmp rdprefmp.sys Tue Jul 14 12:01:41 2009 (4A5BCAE5)
8bb9b000 8bbc8000   rdyboost rdyboost.sys Tue Jul 14 11:22:02 2009 (4A5BC19A)
8225c000 8226f000   rspndr   rspndr.sys   Tue Jul 14 11:53:20 2009 (4A5BC8F0)
9c6bb000 9c6c5000   secdrv   secdrv.SYS   Thu Sep 14 01:18:32 2006 (45080528)
9202a000 92034000   serenum  serenum.sys  Tue Jul 14 11:45:27 2009 (4A5BC717)
8b7e5000 8b7ff000   serial   serial.sys   Tue Jul 14 11:45:33 2009 (4A5BC71D)
8bdd0000 8bdd8000   spldr    spldr.sys    Tue May 12 04:13:47 2009 (4A084EBB)
9c742000 9c793000   srv      srv.sys      Fri Aug 27 15:31:26 2010 (4C77318E)
9c6f3000 9c742000   srv2     srv2.sys     Fri Aug 27 15:30:45 2010 (4C773165)
9c6c5000 9c6e6000   srvnet   srvnet.sys   Fri Aug 27 15:30:39 2010 (4C77315F)
8b5b8000 8b5ff000   storport storport.sys Tue Jul 14 11:45:58 2009 (4A5BC736)
93bef000 93bf0380   swenum   swenum.sys   Tue Jul 14 11:45:08 2009 (4A5BC704)
8bc17000 8bd60000   tcpip    tcpip.sys    Mon Jun 14 15:36:59 2010 (4C15A3DB)
9c6e6000 9c6f3000   tcpipreg tcpipreg.sys Tue Jul 14 11:54:14 2009 (4A5BC926)
90ef0000 90efb000   TDI      TDI.SYS      Tue Jul 14 11:12:12 2009 (4A5BBF4C)
90ed9000 90ef0000   tdx      tdx.sys      Tue Jul 14 11:12:10 2009 (4A5BBF4A)
8b813000 8b823000   termdd   termdd.sys   Tue Jul 14 12:01:35 2009 (4A5BCADF)
99dc0000 99dc9000   TSDDD    TSDDD.dll    unavailable (00000000)
912ce000 912ef000   tunnel   tunnel.sys   Tue Jul 14 11:54:03 2009 (4A5BC91B)
93c7e000 93c8c000   umbus    umbus.sys    Tue Jul 14 11:51:38 2009 (4A5BC88A)
90e17000 90e2e000   usbccgp  usbccgp.sys  Tue Jul 14 11:51:31 2009 (4A5BC883)
93df6000 93df7700   USBD     USBD.SYS     Tue Jul 14 11:51:05 2009 (4A5BC869)
93aa6000 93ab5000   usbehci  usbehci.sys  Sat Oct 24 16:58:55 2009 (4AE27B7F)
93c96000 93cda000   usbhub   usbhub.sys   Sat Oct 24 17:00:05 2009 (4AE27BC5)
93a51000 93a5b000   usbohci  usbohci.sys  Tue Jul 14 11:51:14 2009 (4A5BC872)
93a5b000 93aa6000   USBPORT  USBPORT.SYS  Tue Jul 14 11:51:13 2009 (4A5BC871)
90e00000 90e17000   USBSTOR  USBSTOR.SYS  Tue Jul 14 11:51:19 2009 (4A5BC877)
8b73a000 8b745000   vdrvroot vdrvroot.sys Tue Jul 14 11:46:19 2009 (4A5BC74B)
90e6e000 90e7a000   vga      vga.sys      Tue Jul 14 11:25:50 2009 (4A5BC27E)
90e7a000 90e9b000   VIDEOPRT VIDEOPRT.SYS Tue Jul 14 11:25:49 2009 (4A5BC27D)
8b756000 8b766000   volmgr   volmgr.sys   Tue Jul 14 11:11:25 2009 (4A5BBF1D)
8b766000 8b7b1000   volmgrx  volmgrx.sys  unavailable (00000000)
8bd91000 8bdd0000   volsnap  volsnap.sys  Tue Jul 14 11:11:34 2009 (4A5BBF26)
8b800000 8b813000   wanarp   wanarp.sys   Tue Jul 14 11:55:02 2009 (4A5BC956)
90e9b000 90ea8000   watchdog watchdog.sys Tue Jul 14 11:24:10 2009 (4A5BC21A)
8b638000 8b6a9000   Wdf01000 Wdf01000.sys Tue Jul 14 11:11:36 2009 (4A5BBF28)
8b6a9000 8b6b7000   WDFLDR   WDFLDR.SYS   Tue Jul 14 11:11:25 2009 (4A5BBF1D)
90fc1000 90fc8000   wfplwf   wfplwf.sys   Tue Jul 14 11:53:51 2009 (4A5BC90F)
99b60000 99dab000   win32k   win32k.sys   unavailable (00000000)
8b6ff000 8b708000   WMILIB   WMILIB.SYS   Tue Jul 14 11:11:22 2009 (4A5BBF1A)
82232000 8224c000   WudfPf   WudfPf.sys   Tue Jul 14 11:50:13 2009 (4A5BC835)

Unloaded modules: 
a88b2000 a891c000   spsys.sys
    Timestamp: unavailable (00000000)
    Checksum:  00000000
    ImageSize:  0006A000
a883f000 a88a9000   spsys.sys
    Timestamp: unavailable (00000000)
    Checksum:  00000000
    ImageSize:  0006A000
8bdf0000 8bdfd000   crashdmp.sys
    Timestamp: unavailable (00000000)
    Checksum:  00000000
    ImageSize:  0000D000
8ba00000 8ba0a000   dump_storpor
    Timestamp: unavailable (00000000)
    Checksum:  00000000
    ImageSize:  0000A000
90e0b000 90e30000   dump_nvstor.
    Timestamp: unavailable (00000000)
    Checksum:  00000000
    ImageSize:  00025000
90e30000 90e41000   dump_dumpfve
    Timestamp: unavailable (00000000)
    Checksum:  00000000
    ImageSize:  00011000

majie · 14 Mar 2011

Thank you for the quick answer i will do those steps and see if it fixes the problem.

Windows 7: BSOD probably related to Ati catalyst center.

BSOD probably related to Ati catalyst center. problems?