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Windows 7: Help! BSOD using torrent clients (utorrent, Txati)

28 Nov 2011   #31
bafoos

Windows 7 Professional 32bit
 
 

My last Post didnt seem to be posted so ill post agian!

Lifes Ironic, been downloading and using my PC two days straight without problems! and 6 hours after i Post my All is well MSG! i get another BSOD :

BCCode: d1
BCP1: 00000014
BCP2: 00000002
BCP3: 00000000
BCP4: 8D02CBF2
OS Version: 6_1_7601
Service Pack: 1_0
Product: 256_1

Lifes a bitch I guess. Neways seems ill never get rid of this Problem....

For who evers interested the .dmp files attached.


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28 Nov 2011   #32
bafoos

Windows 7 Professional 32bit
 
 

Btw. is there any way to check which file uses the memory at 8D02CBF2? or will that be my Network driver?
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28 Nov 2011   #33
bafoos

Windows 7 Professional 32bit
 
 

And again.... ( half an hour later... )

BCCode: d1
BCP1: 00000014
BCP2: 00000002
BCP3: 00000000
BCP4: 8D00CBF2
OS Version: 6_1_7601
Service Pack: 1_0
Product: 256_1
My System SpecsSystem Spec
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28 Nov 2011   #34
zigzag3143

Win 8 Release candidate 8400
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by zigzag3143 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bafoos View Post
OMG! SAME SHIT!! I cant believe it whats the matter! i just dont get it !
Torrent dls=BSOD 0xd1! PLS can someone have a close look at my dmp file, this system is new and light weight! Only Installed: Win7+SP1(Updated), Chipset Intel p965, Graphics (ATI CCC v11.11), audio(Realtek HD, Lin6 Tonport GX, M-Audio Mobile Pre USB,), Network( MArvel Yukon v11.45), Alcohol 120%, Notepad++, Norton 360, Cisco Anyconnect AND UTORRENT. THats all there is! what could be the problem!!! PLS HEEEEELLLLLLPPPPP MEEEE IM Goin crazy , I spent to much time only to end up with the same SHIT!!!
You keep installing the same things you are going to have the same problems

These are not on a clean install and cause BSOD's.


1-sptd.sys


Please remove any CD visualization programs such as Daemon Tools and Alcohol 120%.

They use a driver, found in your dmp, called sptd.sys, that is notorious for causing BSODs.

Use this SPTD uninstaller DuplexSecure - Downloads DuplexSecure - FAQ

when you're done you can use this Freeware:

MagicISO Virtual CD/DVD-ROM
(MagicDisc)

in its place

Using MagicISO to create ISO image files

2-Symantec

I do notice Symantec which is a frequent cause of BSOD's. I would remove and replace it with Microsoft Security Essentials at least to test.


http://us.norton.com/support/kb/web_...080710133834EN

Microsoft Security Essentials - Free Antivirus for Windows



3-Jraid.sys (your raid driver) is from 2008 and needs updating.

After all the above we may be able to find the true cause.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bafoos View Post
Hey ZigZag!
Ok second clean Install! No More problems! Still using Norton 360. No more Alcohol (magiciso instead, but had that on the initial system aswell). Didnt install any raid drivers and didnt Install any Network drivers. Other than that, everythiongs the same but working again. I dont have Crashes using Torrents anymore,(using utorrent again). So im not really sure what did the trick but, I do think Deamon Tools and Alcohol, the spdt.sys driver u mentioned had a part to play,(the main part IMHO) then i think the newest Network drivers were causing problems. So for all of you with Marvel Network cards, try not to get the newest v11.45 instead use the windows one (from 2009). The problem wasnt Norton or Kaspersky, uninstallign them didnt help with the initial system and installing them on fresh system didnt hurt (they did play some role though because disabling or uninstalling them increased timespan between BSODs).
Even if these things were the root of the problem, once installed, uninstalling them ( stpd.sys(DT,Alc), Marvel driver, Norton or kasp, raid, VPN client etc. didnt help. Updating drivers didnt helpw. Uninstalling software didnt help. The only thing that worked was a Clean Install ( and only the second time over)! What do you think ZigZag? if you had to make a top 3 causes for Torrent related BSOD what would it be?
Mine: 1. Network Drivers (roll back or update)
2. Antivir/spyware, Firwalls (norotn,Kaspersky MCafee) (uninstall)
3. sptd.sys (DT, Alc.120) (uninstall)
If nothing of this sort helps Clean install is one secure way to go!

P.S. should i mark the thread as solved? I mean iddint solve the problem really, not sure of the cause or fix(except reinstalling everything)!
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by zigzag3143 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bafoos View Post
Hey ZigZag!
Ok second clean Install! No More problems! Still using Norton 360. No more Alcohol (magiciso instead, but had that on the initial system aswell). Didnt install any raid drivers and didnt Install any Network drivers. Other than that, everythiongs the same but working again. I dont have Crashes using Torrents anymore,(using utorrent again). So im not really sure what did the trick but, I do think Deamon Tools and Alcohol, the spdt.sys driver u mentioned had a part to play,(the main part IMHO) then i think the newest Network drivers were causing problems. So for all of you with Marvel Network cards, try not to get the newest v11.45 instead use the windows one (from 2009). The problem wasnt Norton or Kaspersky, uninstallign them didnt help with the initial system and installing them on fresh system didnt hurt (they did play some role though because disabling or uninstalling them increased timespan between BSODs).
Even if these things were the root of the problem, once installed, uninstalling them ( stpd.sys(DT,Alc), Marvel driver, Norton or kasp, raid, VPN client etc. didnt help. Updating drivers didnt helpw. Uninstalling software didnt help. The only thing that worked was a Clean Install ( and only the second time over)! What do you think ZigZag? if you had to make a top 3 causes for Torrent related BSOD what would it be?
Mine: 1. Network Drivers (roll back or update)
2. Antivir/spyware, Firwalls (norotn,Kaspersky MCafee) (uninstall)
3. sptd.sys (DT, Alc.120) (uninstall)
If nothing of this sort helps Clean install is one secure way to go!

P.S. should i mark the thread as solved? I mean iddint solve the problem really, not sure of the cause or fix(except reinstalling everything)!
Causes vary from system to system. Some of the biggest are
1-Malware. Biggest cuases of BSOD's only, not how well they preform on malware.
Kaspersky, Norton, McAffee, Zone alarm, and avast.

2-Drivers
Sptd.sys, Virtualbus drivers, etc.

3_overclocking. Just dont

Good luck and let us know if you need help
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bafoos View Post
My last Post didnt seem to be posted so ill post agian!

Lifes Ironic, been downloading and using my PC two days straight without problems! and 6 hours after i Post my All is well MSG! i get another BSOD : NO NORTON>>>RUNS>>NORTON>>>CRASHES

BCCode: d1
BCP1: 00000014
BCP2: 00000002
BCP3: 00000000
BCP4: 8D02CBF2
OS Version: 6_1_7601
Service Pack: 1_0
Product: 256_1

Lifes a bitch I guess. Neways seems ill never get rid of this Problem....NETIO.SYS>>>>NORTON

For who evers interested the .dmp files attached.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bafoos View Post
Btw. is there any way to check which file uses the memory at 8D02CBF2? or will that be my Network driver?
YES>>>>NETIO.SYS>>>>NORTON

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bafoos View Post
And again.... ( half an hour later... )NETIO.SYS>>>>>>>NORTON

BCCode: d1
BCP1: 00000014
BCP2: 00000002
BCP3: 00000000
BCP4: 8D00CBF2
OS Version: 6_1_7601
Service Pack: 1_0
Product: 256_1

Notice a pattern?


You do a clean install and it works for a bit. Perhaps you install Norton and it crashes?

Thirty-four posts and we are where we started. BSOD's from netio.sys>>Norton.
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28 Nov 2011   #35
JMH

Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit. SP1.
 
 

bafoos
I have been following this thread with great interest.
You seek advice & tend NOT to follow it.

One of our best & brightest people is helping & guiding you.
Why don't you follow that advice, at least for a period of time to test?
Do yourself & us a favour please!
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29 Nov 2011   #36
bafoos

Windows 7 Professional 32bit
 
 

Hey Guys, sorry if im being cumbersome and thx for your persistence!
I know about ZIgZag achivements ive read a lot of posts by him, checked his profile and he always trys to help!

Its just that ive tried running the system without any antivir and with MSE, as i already wrote. The initial system(before the 2 clean installs) i was running Kaspersky IS 2011, uninstalled it, still BSODs, used MSE still BSODs (post #12), reinstalled kasp. tried driver verifier and uninstalled Deamon Tools still BSODS (this time the Stop code Changed tho 0xa)

(then ZigZag wrote i should at least unistall malware app and test b4 clean install , but i had already done that and crashes persisted (posts #12 and #21)

on the second system(before the last clean install), the system really only had basic drivers and ( i know iknow pls dont kill me) Alc 120 and Norton. I didnt know alcohol used the same driver as Deamon tools then , immidiatly uninstalled it when zigzag told me. and got rid of norton 360 (post# 24).(i installed it in the first place cause i thought maybe the issue is Kasp. only) Newayz.. intervalls between BSODs increased, but BSODS still happened.(post #25)

Then ZigZag told me to clean Install, but this was a clean Install. Still... Clean Installed again.(Post #29). 2nd Sytem:
Didnt install any raid drivers and didnt Install any Network drivers(used win7 ones). But Norton 360, since i thought if not using it didnt solve the problem, ican install it right?

System ran smooth for 2days... Thought it was mysteriously fixed.... and BAM (post #31) and since then same shit.

So basically ive tried running with all the recomandations by ZigZag (Thx again), it helped in the sense that crashes were less freequent but i still got crashes(same for MSE). But i cant run without an Antivir... thats suicide.. right?

I checked my RAM and tried chkdsk, no errors ( i thought it could be a memory problem since most of the time the crash occurs when adreess 0x00000014 is accesed ( at least thats what i think th BSC1 stands for)

Using Bluescreenview i saw that the only thing always listed in red in all the dmps is ntkrnlpa.exe. ( of course in most were netio.sys, ndis.sys, tcp.sys, tunnel.sys, basically all the network drivers possible :P).

Will give deleting Norton another try.... Thx very much guys, i really appreciate that u keep following up, gives me Hope !
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29 Nov 2011   #37
zigzag3143

Win 8 Release candidate 8400
 
 

Not to worry. We are in this till its fixed (or you kill it).

Norton is virtually impossible to remove once installed. Sometimes even using teir installer remnents remain.

The only effective way I have found is to do a clean install.
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30 Nov 2011   #38
Corazon

Windows 7 Professional SP1 32-bit
 
 

Are we still talking about BSODs that occur during torrent downloads? This thread is sounding more and more like a general BSOD problem (not limited to torrents).

If it is still only a torrent issue, did the OP ever try to limit global maximum allowed connections in uTorrent - that often fixes network driver crashes since some drivers just can't handle too many simultaneous TCP connections, and that's what torrent clients do (due to the way the BitTorrent protocol works).
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30 Nov 2011   #39
bafoos

Windows 7 Professional 32bit
 
 

Hey,
quick update,

havnt had time to take uninstalling measures yet! will let you know when i do, busy week ftm so its probably gonna be the weekend!

@corazon, yes its still only when i dl torrents! Theres no other problem with my system other then that. No Freezes, no BSOD (100%), but the minute i use torrentz a BSOD is a sure thing. yes tried limiting connecitons aswell, at least i think so.

The default setting in utorrent under Optins->Settings->Bandwith-> # of Connections
is max. # Connecitons = 200
max. # of peers = 50
# of uploadslots = 4

So i have tried using
max. # Connecitons = 50 // 50 // 30
max. # of peers = 50 // 25 // 10
# of uploadslots = 4 // 4 // 1

in different runs still got BSODs. btw. is there any danger for my hardware if i kwwp getting these BSODs? dont think so right? + ive run out of things to test downloading on :P!
Disableing all the firewalls and Norton helps, less longer dl times b4 BSOD. (Sometimes it takes 3 hours sometimes 10 mins, without torrents my system can run for days ( until i switch it off)).

Thx
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03 Dec 2011   #40
bafoos

Windows 7 Professional 32bit
 
 

Ok i think i found a workaround! For all those that Have the same problems: BSOD(0xd1) caused by d/l torrents.
Still dont know what the acctual problem was, or what caused the crashes but for all those where, deleting or switching third party Internet Securities or deleting Virtual drive drivers or clean install doesnt work. Use utorrent 1.5 and install with XP compatability. Problem solved no more crashes(at least until now).

Thx again to those who helped!
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