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Windows 7: RC 7100 & Random BSODs... Depressing


10 Aug 2009   #1

Windows 7 x64 (Ultimate)
 
 
RC 7100 & Random BSODs... Depressing

Well, all was beautiful until a few days ago when I started getting all kinds of different BSOD stop errors, it came intermitently while playing a game or with the computer at idle, from 5 mins to 30 mins, making it extremely tough to troubleshoot.

I am 95% sure is not a Hardware related problem since my Vista OS is not having any issues what so ever... I dual boot with Vista x64 & Win 7 x64 Ultimate

I really don't want to waste my or your timetrying to fix this issue because after the 10th different BSOD stop error, I am thinking this has more to do with the RC 7100 version than any software I might have installed as of late, suffice to say, I took Google for a big ride and found multiple posts on the different BSOD's and also multiple speculations but not firm answers.

So, I was wondering how easy it was to just get/download & install a newer Win 7 version, possibly the new RTM or latest beta stage... is that doable or do I have to stick with the RC 7100 until it expires?

Thanks folks

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10 Aug 2009   #2

Windows 7 x64 (Ultimate)
 
 

Something I just remembered... Win 7 told me that one of the problems had to do with Kasperski A.V., to my knowledge, I have never installed a demo or FREE A.V. from this people so unless Win 7 RC 7100 comes with included, I have no clue why is there nor if hidden because I can't find it anywhere.
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10 Aug 2009   #3

XP SP2
 
 

I recommend you to upgrade to lastest version!
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10 Aug 2009   #4
Lee

Win 7 Pro x64, VM Win XP, Win7 Pro Sandbox, Kubuntu 11
 
 

Been on the RC since release, and as of yet had no problems (knock on wood). Looked over your spec, and can't see anything there that could be a problem. Will keep an eye out for others having BSOD problems. Hope you find the bug causing the BSOD.
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10 Aug 2009   #5

W7 Pro 64
 
 

I'm not sure if you mean you don't have Kaspersky? Does it mean you have NO anti virus program? If so, that migth be the problem.

Kaspersky Internet Suite 2009 works great on my RC 7100 64-bit. Also have isntalled autoCAD 2010, Adobe CS4 suite, Matlab, Maple,... only installed free system tools, NO registry cleaners! (if you used some of those, you migth as well deal with the virus). Maybe some other system tools that are not Windows 7 ready? Here are some good software toolss that work on Windows 7. There are many in the forum too.
The tools that are integrated into the OS potentially cause the most problems. I recently installed a benchmark tool that just froze my PC whenever I started it.

It looks like you need to reinstall anyway, the RC or the RTM. but since you have Vista, why don't wait till October to isntall the real deal (unless installing OS is kind of a hobby of yours)

To tell you the truth, if the RC would not expire in 3/2010 I'd keep it till my HDD dies. People say the 7600 are even better. Not sure how you can improve 100% stable and fast, though.
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10 Aug 2009   #6

64-bit Windows 8.1 Pro
 
 

In my experience, 9 times out of 10 a BSOD is caused by a faulty driver. I would follow visy199s' advice and get the latest version, and by default, the latest drivers. I would be interested in your results.... please keep us informed..

Tom
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10 Aug 2009   #7

W7 Pro 64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Tews View Post
In my experience, 9 times out of 10 a BSOD is caused by a faulty driver. I would follow visy199s' advice and get the latest version, and by default, the latest drivers. I would be interested in your results.... please keep us informed..

Tom
AstaLaVista: did you install any other drivers? In my experience Windows 7 comes with all drivers you need. I know, XP and vista really required additional drivers, but Windows 7 is superior :-) Maybe in some cases you want the most up to date nVidia or Ati driver (they now also have Windows 7 certified ones) or some wireless device makes problems.
But it is possible that when you install the hardware manufacturers' drivers you actually make it worse since they might not Windows 7 certified (and Windows 7 still was under development until recently, so the driver programmers were shooting arrows into the dark). Install it without hardware drivers, apply all Windows 7 updates. Only install drivers for devices that don't work with Windows 7 drivers, and try to get Windows 7 drivers from the hardware manufacturer.

As I said, works for me with the RC. Sometimes doing too much improvements (fanciest drivers, registry cleaning..) makes it worse.
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11 Aug 2009   #8

windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 

Usually, the latest drivers will fix the problem... unless the latest drivers are the problem!

There has been a rash of nVidia-related BSODs lately. They are hit-or-miss... some folks have no trouble, others crash all of the time. There's quite a bit of chatter on the OC and gaming sites about this.

Did you recently update your video card drivers? That could be the problem.
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11 Aug 2009   #9

Windows 7 x64 (Ultimate)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by visy199 View Post
I recommend you to upgrade to lastest version!
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Tews View Post
In my experience, 9 times out of 10 a BSOD is caused by a faulty driver. I would follow visy199s' advice and get the latest version, and by default, the latest drivers. I would be interested in your results.... please keep us informed..

Tom
How does one upgrade to other Beta OSs, this is my first time and I thought once you installed one you had to stick with it.

If that is possible, where do I get it and is it really worth it? I mean, aside from this random BSOD hiccups, this OS has been super fast and stable at everything I have throwned at it.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by HerrKaLeun View Post
I'm not sure if you mean you don't have Kaspersky? Does it mean you have NO anti virus program? If so, that migth be the problem.
I do have an Anti Virus (Avast 4.8) and Anti Spyware (MalwareBytes) but Win 7 keep insisting that one of the errors it finds is that Kasperski was not installed correctly and Re-Installing it might fix the issue. Well, I have never used Kasperski in my life, didn't know what it was or do until I looked it up so I thought it was part of Win 7 OS, like it came as a pre trial thing or something of that nature, otherwise, why would Win 7 be telling me I need to reinstall?

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by HerrKaLeun View Post
The tools that are integrated into the OS potentially cause the most problems. I recently installed a benchmark tool that just froze my PC whenever I started it.
You ain't kidding, WHY IS THAT???
I installed some Vista add-ons (wallpapers or themes, can't really remember now) and it made a complete mess out of it.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by HerrKaLeun View Post
It looks like you need to reinstall anyway, the RC or the RTM. but since you have Vista, why don't wait till October to isntall the real deal (unless installing OS is kind of a hobby of yours)
No, not really, this is the first time ever that I dual boot. Well, it started with XP & Vista but it was more because of the reservations I had with Vista. Once I got Vista going I decided to test Win 7 reading that it was much faster than Vista and coincided with the fact that I was selling my rig and building this one so I had to do a clean install anyways.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by HerrKaLeun View Post
To tell you the truth, if the RC would not expire in 3/2010 I'd keep it till my HDD dies. People say the 7600 are even better. Not sure how you can improve 100% stable and fast, though.
This is true and the only reason why I have my reservations and/or have been skeptical to nuke it and try the RTM or others.



Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by HerrKaLeun View Post
AstaLaVista: did you install any other drivers? In my experience Windows 7 comes with all drivers you need. I know, XP and vista really required additional drivers, but Windows 7 is superior :-) Maybe in some cases you want the most up to date nVidia or Ati driver (they now also have Windows 7 certified ones) or some wireless device makes problems.
But it is possible that when you install the hardware manufacturers' drivers you actually make it worse since they might not Windows 7 certified (and Windows 7 still was under development until recently, so the driver programmers were shooting arrows into the dark). Install it without hardware drivers, apply all Windows 7 updates. Only install drivers for devices that don't work with Windows 7 drivers, and try to get Windows 7 drivers from the hardware manufacturer.

As I said, works for me with the RC. Sometimes doing too much improvements (fanciest drivers, registry cleaning..) makes it worse.
Nope, only drivers I have upgrade are the Monitor, Sound & Video and only because of the BSOD's. I usually leave the drivers alone until I suffer a problem or issue... I used to switch to new ones everytime there was one but not anymore.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by stevieray View Post
Usually, the latest drivers will fix the problem... unless the latest drivers are the problem!

There has been a rash of nVidia-related BSODs lately. They are hit-or-miss... some folks have no trouble, others crash all of the time. There's quite a bit of chatter on the OC and gaming sites about this.

Did you recently update your video card drivers? That could be the problem.
Well, I think I got a handle on the situaltion. Problem is that I can't really put my finger on the culprit or what fixed it but I'll let you guys know what I did in hopes that it helps others.

I came home and decided to nuke all my drivers, hell, I was going for broke... I was ALL IN

Anyways, before attempting this, I went to each manufacturer and downloaded all their latest drivers and copy them to a safe location.

I proceed to uninstall the Chipset drivers first, I did not find anything on the Control Panel so I figured this could be the problem right there. I had never install drivers because Win 7 installed the latest ones when I built the rig. Then, the Video along with the PhysX drivers were uninstalled... those with ATI need not apply with PhysX drivers I think

Restarted into SAFE MODE and ran CCleaner, I didn't care, again... I was going for Broke anyways.

Once that was over, proceeded to start the rig again and installed the new chipset drivers, then the Video drivers and lastly, the Monitor driver.

The ladder one could have also given me fits since I din't uninstalled it but it had the Generic PnP driver installed and this has always gave me problems... but it was with Vista more so than Win 7.

I can't say I am 100% sure that I am clear but last night, I browse the Internet and played for about 2 hrs BSOD Free. I hope that it will be like that for a while longer.

Now, if you guys have the same issues, do what I did but take some time and do 1 install/uninstall at a time since, sometimes, doing it all at the same times causes more negative effects than positive... I just got lucky this time around
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11 Aug 2009   #10

64-bit Windows 8.1 Pro
 
 

Im glad you got it sorted out
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