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Windows 7: Really need help, PC no longer working.

22 Jan 2012   #11
Anak

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Win 7 Home Premium 64bit Ver 6.1.7600 Build 7601 - SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by paulpicks21 View Post
As I said before, system restore made no difference and the pc still fails to boot.


And Anak I cannot get into windows, that is the problem.


Cheers

Paul
I missed it,

It seems odd that after you shutdown normally, and then have this problem when you go to start up the next day.

Almost seems like a hardware problem. Bad Ram could cause a machine to a hard/no start condition.

I would try removing, and then re-setting the ram sticks, just pull them out, and put them right back in where they came out of.

Has the inside of the case ever been cleaned?


My System SpecsSystem Spec
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22 Jan 2012   #12
paulpicks21

Windows 7 Professional 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Anak View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by paulpicks21 View Post
As I said before, system restore made no difference and the pc still fails to boot.


And Anak I cannot get into windows, that is the problem.


Cheers

Paul
I missed it,

It seems odd that after you shutdown normally, and then have this problem when you go to start up the next day.

Almost seems like a hardware problem. Bad Ram could cause a machine to a hard/no start condition.

I would try removing, and then re-setting the ram sticks, just pull them out, and put them right back in where they came out of.

Has the inside of the case ever been cleaned?

I did remove both sticks yesterday and tried it with just 1 in at a time to see if the ram was bad. Still the same problem.

Its clean inside.

Thanks

Paul.
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22 Jan 2012   #13
paulpicks21

Windows 7 Professional 64 bit
 
 

I have marked this as solved now.

I had no option but to go ahead and reinstall windows in the end.

It is now working 100% fine.


I still don't know what caused the issue which is very annoying but at least my PC works again.



Thanks to all that replied.


Paul.
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23 Jan 2012   #14
Kaktussoft

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Nothing wrong with bcd so far as I can see. Still error 0xc0000098 ? even after 3 startup repairs with reboots in between? If so, rebuild the bcd

bcdedit /export C:\BCD_Backup
c:
cd boot
attrib bcd -s -h -r
ren c:\boot\bcd bcd.old
bootrec /RebuildBcd

After that the old bcd is in c:\BCD_BACKUP and in c:\boot\bcd.old as well
You can always go back to old situation by doing:
bcdedit/import c:\BCD_BACKUP

Does system boot after doing the bootrec/rebuildbcd command?
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23 Jan 2012   #15
paulpicks21

Windows 7 Professional 64 bit
 
 

Thanks for your reply, but please read my last post above yours.


Regards

Paul.
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23 Jan 2012   #16
Anak

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Win 7 Home Premium 64bit Ver 6.1.7600 Build 7601 - SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by paulpicks21 View Post
I have marked this as solved now.

I had no option but to go ahead and reinstall windows in the end.

It is now working 100% fine.

I still don't know what caused the issue which is very annoying but at least my PC works again.

Thanks to all that replied.

Paul.
Your welcome!

I was going to reply when I saw you had already re-installed.

The only other situations that I could think of would be, that overnite you may have had a momentary power outage, and the surge when the power came back up may have caused a problem with the SSD's, but with the machine shut down for the night, and your maybe having it connected to a UPS that would be rare to impossible. Although, a startup surge is within the realm of possibility. Bad Capacitors, PSU?


And, I have noticed in this Crashes and Debugging forum that sometimes when the OP has multiple Drives (mixed or not) that the helper will ask the OP to disconnect all but the one that has the original boot, and OS on it to avoid any conflicts with startup.

If memory serves correctly, there have been instances on startup where the main drive will loop back to another drive that has an image of the original, and become confused.

Read post #17 here in the VIP Forum, and whs's reply in #18: Very strange story - I am baffled
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23 Jan 2012   #17
paulpicks21

Windows 7 Professional 64 bit
 
 

Thanks for taking the time to help me try and figure out why it happened Anak.

It is a bit of a puzzler!

It was completely shut down for the whole time in between working and not working so I don't think a power surge could have caused an issue.

One of the things I did pretty much straight away was to remove my spinner HDD so I only had the operating system ssd connected.

It was saying some drivers were missing every time I tried to boot, but why they were suddenly missing is a mystery to me.

I don't think I will ever get to the bottom of it, I just hope it was a freak occurrence and never happens again.


Cheers

Paul.
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23 Jan 2012   #18
Anak

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Win 7 Home Premium 64bit Ver 6.1.7600 Build 7601 - SP1
 
 

Some more thoughts....

How did your memory upgrade go last week?
Are you doing any serious over-clocking? Once problems arise its best to back them down.

Here is some interesting reading about SSD's that I've come across.
The owner of the site Zsolt Kerekes has been involved with SSD's for over 21years.

Of particular interest:
Bad block management in flash SSDs - article StorageSearch.com
Data Integrity Challenges in flash SSD Design
Why Consumers Can Expect More Flaky Flash SSDs!
SSDs vs HDDs? - not exactly says StorageSearch.com
What happens in SSDs when the power goes down suddenly? - reliability architecture article
The SSD Reliability Papers - StorageSearch.com
Storage reliability articles - StorageSearch.com

If you have any previous clones or images of your system, it might be possible to install the latest one before this problem, just to see if you can pick up anything from Event Viewer or even .dmp files.

If you search for instability problems for your two SSD's, you come up with some results, but since they are so new on the consumer market not a lot of answers.
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31 Jan 2012   #19
Anak

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Win 7 Home Premium 64bit Ver 6.1.7600 Build 7601 - SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by paulpicks21 View Post
Now to the bit that worries me the most, when in the repair install section if I press 'load drivers' I can then view 'computer', the only drive connected is my M4 and it is showing some strange things
Paul, not saying this is related, but I saw this, and wondered if you did too.
ATTENTION Crucial M4 SSD owners
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01 Feb 2012   #20
paulpicks21

Windows 7 Professional 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Anak View Post
Some more thoughts....

How did your memory upgrade go last week?
Are you doing any serious over-clocking? Once problems arise its best to back them down.

Here is some interesting reading about SSD's that I've come across.
The owner of the site Zsolt Kerekes has been involved with SSD's for over 21years.

Of particular interest:
Bad block management in flash SSDs - article StorageSearch.com
Data Integrity Challenges in flash SSD Design
Why Consumers Can Expect More Flaky Flash SSDs!
SSDs vs HDDs? - not exactly says StorageSearch.com
What happens in SSDs when the power goes down suddenly? - reliability architecture article
The SSD Reliability Papers - StorageSearch.com
Storage reliability articles - StorageSearch.com

If you have any previous clones or images of your system, it might be possible to install the latest one before this problem, just to see if you can pick up anything from Event Viewer or even .dmp files.

If you search for instability problems for your two SSD's, you come up with some results, but since they are so new on the consumer market not a lot of answers.

Sorry I should have replied to you sooner seeing as you were kind enough to post again.

I didn't do the memory upgrade in the end.

Yes I did have the CPU overclocked at the time and I reverted it back to stock settings before I did the reinstall. It is still stock now.

I only have the M4 SSD in the PC, I put the F60 into my other PC before Christmas. (I will update my system specs in a minute).

In reply to your post regarding the M4 Firmware, I am still yet to update it, however mine has only done a couple of 100hrs so far so nowhere near the 5000 that they state the issue will begin.

I can confirm the PC is still running perfectly since the reinstall so that's good news.

Once again thanks for your help


Paul.
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