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Windows 7: Consistent BSODs, Inconsistent STOP codes, and more

11 Mar 2012   #11
Inserio

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 

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So, do you have any idea? It'd be difficult for me to test each piece of hardware (on another computer) to figure out which piece is causing the error and if that's the only issue. If that's what I'll have to do, though, then so be it. If there's anything else, what would you recommend? and if that is what you recommend, which pieces do you think I should check first?
Two things you can do.

I forget (not on my computer atm) if you ran memtest or another memory diagnostic.

Memtest and driver verifier



* If you are overclocking anything reset to default before running these tests.
In other words STOP!!!

* If you have raid update its Driver.




Memtest.
Quote:
*Download a copy of Memtest86 and burn the ISO to a CD using Iso Recorder or another ISO burning program. Memtest86+ - Advanced Memory Diagnostic Tool

*Boot from the CD, and leave it running for at least 5 or 6 passes.

Just remember, any time Memtest reports errors, it can be either bad RAM or a bad motherboard slot.

Test the sticks individually, and if you find a good one, test it in all slots.

Any errors are indicative of a memory problem.

If a known good stick fails in a motherboard slot it is probably the slot.
Yeah, I did these, prior. Reading what you quoted, many signs are pointing to a combination between bad RAM and bad slots. If the slots are bad, would I have to replace the entire motherboard?

BTW, I didn't do a memtest on each RAM, but on the first run it came up with errors. I might be able to do some individual tests later


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11 Mar 2012   #12
zigzag3143

Win 8 Release candidate 8400
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Inserio View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by zigzag3143 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Inserio View Post
So, do you have any idea? It'd be difficult for me to test each piece of hardware (on another computer) to figure out which piece is causing the error and if that's the only issue. If that's what I'll have to do, though, then so be it. If there's anything else, what would you recommend? and if that is what you recommend, which pieces do you think I should check first?
Two things you can do.

I forget (not on my computer atm) if you ran memtest or another memory diagnostic.

Memtest and driver verifier



* If you are overclocking anything reset to default before running these tests.
In other words STOP!!!

* If you have raid update its Driver.




Memtest.
Quote:
*Download a copy of Memtest86 and burn the ISO to a CD using Iso Recorder or another ISO burning program. Memtest86+ - Advanced Memory Diagnostic Tool

*Boot from the CD, and leave it running for at least 5 or 6 passes.

Just remember, any time Memtest reports errors, it can be either bad RAM or a bad motherboard slot.

Test the sticks individually, and if you find a good one, test it in all slots.

Any errors are indicative of a memory problem.

If a known good stick fails in a motherboard slot it is probably the slot.
Yeah, I did these, prior. Reading what you quoted, many signs are pointing to a combination between bad RAM and bad slots. If the slots are bad, would I have to replace the entire motherboard?

BTW, I didn't do a memtest on each RAM, but on the first run it came up with errors. I might be able to do some individual tests later
Probably, or not use the bad one. You can ID which it is by using a known good stick in each slot one at a time.
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11 Mar 2012   #13
Inserio

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 

Eerily, I get hundreds of thousands of errors when I put in three memory chips. When I put in four, it refuses to even boot and it beeps really fast repeatedly. I tested one and it's working fine, but depending on where I put the chips and which ones, it creates different combinations that just don't make sense to me. I will think a chip won't be working, but then I put it in a different slot and it works. I will think a slot isn't working, but I put in a different chip and it works. I'm really confused.

{edit} Also, my USB keyboard doesn't seem to work during boot, besides during the BIOS, i.e. I can't use it during the Memtest. I hope it's okay for me to just shut it off.
At this point, I'm running a test with two cards, one of the new ones and one of the old ones. The other new one I already tested it and let it get to pass 7 with no errors. I'll see how these two fair up, then I'll test the other old one, but I think that one won't even start, so we'll see.
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11 Mar 2012   #14
zigzag3143

Win 8 Release candidate 8400
 
 

You can figure out which is which.

Slot 1

mem a--- works or doesnt?
mem b...
mem c...
mem d...


Repeat for slot 2, 3, 4.


Post the chart
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11 Mar 2012   #15
Inserio

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 

Alright, will do. This will take a significant amount of time, however. I'll post and edit the data as I acquire it.

Slot 1
Corsair#1--won't boot, get lots of fast beeps
Corsair#2--pass 2 with no errors
OCZ#1--pass 2 with no errors
OCZ#2--pass 0 with 17 errors

Slot 2
Corsair#1--won't boot, get lots of fast beeps
Corsair#2--pass 2 with no errors
OCZ#1--pass 10 with no errors
OCZ#2--pass 0 with 460 errors

Slot 3
Corsair#1--won't boot, get lots of fast beeps
Corsair#2--pass 2 with no errors
OCZ#1--pass 8 with no errors
OCZ#2--pass 0 with 13 errors

Slot 4
Corsair#1--won't boot, get lots of fast beeps
Corsair#2--pass 2 with no errors
OCZ#1--pass 2 with no errors
OCZ#2--pass 0 with 19 errors

{edit} Since my USB keyboard doesn't seem to respond, I have to force shut down after each test, therefore, many of these will be partially done data or me stopping as soon as I see the errors.

{edit2} I mixed up which Corsair was which (now are labeled), so I'm redoing that data.
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12 Mar 2012   #16
zigzag3143

Win 8 Release candidate 8400
 
 

If they dont fail after 2 passes you can move on

Are both pairs of memory the same specs?

Did the BSOD's start just after you added hardware?
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12 Mar 2012   #17
Inserio

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 

Yeah, I made sure they were the same. 2GB DDR2 PC2-6400 800MHz 240-pin, timing: 5-5-5-18.
New ones: http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-CM2X20.../dp/B00160P77Y
Older ones: Amazon.com: OCZ OCZ2G8004GK DDR2 800MHz 4 GB (2 x 2 GB) Gold Edition Kit: Electronics

Results:
Corsair#1:bad memory? odd, because it will work when I plug in one other one in addition to it, but by itself, it won't even boot.
Corsair#2:RAM seems fine
OCZ#1:RAM seems fine
OCZ#2:bad memory
All DIMM slots appear to be functioning appropriately.
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12 Mar 2012   #18
zigzag3143

Win 8 Release candidate 8400
 
 

Win 7 is really, really finicky about ram. Sometimes identical ram from the same manufacturer purchased at different time may not work together. Best way to buy RAM is in one package for that is the only way you can be sure they will match.
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12 Mar 2012   #19
Inserio

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 

Like a 4x[1,2,4] package? i.e. buy all the RAM I plan to use at the same time? Interesting. I'll have to consider that if I can't get this working as is. I may consider just buying a decent DDR3 capable motherboard and getting a 16GB RAM package, since they are ridiculously cheaper for DDR3.
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12 Mar 2012   #20
zigzag3143

Win 8 Release candidate 8400
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Inserio View Post
Like a 4x[1,2,4] package? i.e. buy all the RAM I plan to use at the same time? Interesting. I'll have to consider that if I can't get this working as is. I may consider just buying a decent DDR3 capable motherboard and getting a 16GB RAM package, since they are ridiculously cheaper for DDR3.
h

Good idea.

I have been helping someone (on another forum) with exactly this issue. 4 perfectly matched (same mfr, same model, same specs,) from a decent mfr and with 3 its fine, but four Ugh.
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