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Windows 7: Windows 7 64 Bit ASUS M4N98TD EVO AMD X6 1090T GTX 470 BSOD

05 Jun 2012   #1

Windows 7 64 bit
 
 
Windows 7 64 Bit ASUS M4N98TD EVO AMD X6 1090T GTX 470 BSOD

About three months ago I upgraded to this Motherboard (M4N98TD Evo) as my previous motherboard died (M4N72-E), The transition seemed to go very smoothly apart from the fact that I am still struggling for absolute stability.

I know what my old board was capable of running these components at and I know all the voltages. etc, that I used to obtain them, while understanding that this board is a different prospect, I was hoping as it was a model higher that I may have better results with it.

However after an 8 hour run of prime95 last night and thinking that I had cracked it, today while playing FSX for around two hours, I suddenly get a BSOD, I am also getting crashes while playing F1 2011 although these are black screen crashes and no BSOD reports.

Attached is the required dump files, any help appreciated.


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05 Jun 2012   #2

Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit
 
 

No .dmp files included. If you are running CCleaner (I see it installed), please refrain from using it for the duration of your troubleshooting. It deletes the .dmp files during clean up processes.

I was able to check the Event Viewer logs, and I see three 0x116 Video TDR Error crashes and a 0x50 Page Fault in Nonpaged Area crash. This indicates possible memory issues and/or graphics card issues.

I see that you are running an AMD processor with overclocked RAM. AMD processors have a difficult time handling anything over 1333 MHz without some serious tweaking, so we advise against running them with RAM that runs at 1600 MHz or higher. 1744 MHz is definitely going to cause problems. I would recommend starting there. If you have XMP with the logo, it probably will not play well with AMD hardware.


  • Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by H2SO4 View Post
    These are all stop 0x116 VIDEO_TDR_FAILURE conditions.

    It's not a true crash, in the sense that the bluescreen was initiated only because the combination of video driver and video hardware was being unresponsive, and not because of any synchronous processing exception.

    Since Vista, the "Timeout Detection and Recovery" (TDR) components of the OS video subsystem have been capable of doing some truly impressive things to try to recover from issues which would have caused earlier OSs like XP to crash. As a last resort, the TDR subsystem sends the video driver a "please restart yourself now!" command and waits a few seconds. If there's no response, the OS concludes that the video driver/hardware combo has truly collapsed in a heap, and it fires off that stop 0x116 BSOD.

    If playing with video driver versions hasn't helped, make sure the box is not overheating. Try removing a side panel and aiming a big mains fan straight at the motherboard and GPU. Run it like that for a few hours or days - long enough to ascertain whether cooler temperatures make a difference. If so, it might be as simple as dust buildup and subsequently inadequate cooling.
    The above quote was taken from http://www.sevenforums.com/crashes-d...tml#post280172, which is linked to in usasma's thread about this error. Closely follow the first three posts of usasma's thread outlining STOP 0x116: VIDEO_TDR_ERROR troubleshooting and proceed through each step. Let us know if you need further help.
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06 Jun 2012   #3

Windows 7 64 bit
 
 

Its so very strange however, that it is Intel Burn Test and Prime 95 stable and yet doesn't like it when it comes to games.

Usama has suggested that maybe it is MSI afterburner causing the issues, which I use to control the fan speeds of the GTX 470, and it is really required, by default the GTX 470 fans run at 40% and after 20 mins of gaming would overheat seriously quickly with the fans that low. I have the super overclocked Gigabyte version which has a custom deigned 3 fan cooler on it, with the MSI afterburner fan curve set, I get max temps of 78C on the GPU, the GPU cuts out at 85C cause of nvidia safe sentinel.

I can't believe what a minefield these computers are, no wonder they call them Enthusiast editions, they should be called utterly mad editions, cause getting them to work as they should is near impossible.

Even without an overclock on the RAM or the processor then the GTX 470 still needs something to regulate its fans, and yet the best software for this is not recommended by WIN 7 experts. So without that my gaming would be limited to around 20 mins before the GPU will shut itself off.

Its a crazy situation.

I bought ASUS cause they are regarded as fairly stable, I bought Nvidia because of their reputation, (which seems to have gone downhill with the gtx 4 series) I tried to make sure my GPU would be liked by buying an Nvidia chipset board, Got knows how it would behave with SLI installed.

People are running RAM at 2000Mhz with AMD, indeed ASUS says on its QVL that this is possible with this board.

I have read and read and read and tried to find reliable information and there seems to be none around, its all trial and error.

All the stability tests that are recommended are passing, when the black screens happen, the graphics card, the memory and all the fans remain active in the computer. Which really only leaves the MCP as something that I can't monitor, is it possible that this is shutting itself off causing the issues?

Maybe the NB needs more voltage or something. There are just so many variables.

Its starting to bug me a little now.
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06 Jun 2012   #4

Windows 7 64 bit
 
 

Here is a screenshot of Intel Burn test which has been run with a setting of 6144MB which is near enough to maximum stress and it passes.

Since your reply, Ihave dropped the memory down to 1453Mhz with 6-6-6-18 timings.

I have read on the AMD website that the IMC is as you say capable of 1333Mz but it also states that its capable of up to 21GB/s, running MaxxMemm with my current settings the Bandwidth figure was 10.21 GB/s so as this needs to be doubled to get to to the AMD quoted figures this woul actually be 20.42Gb/s which is still under the Max stated transfer rate quoted by AMD.
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06 Jun 2012   #5

Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit
 
 

Yes, MSI Afterburner is known to cause problems with some systems running Windows 7. When it does, I usually recommend SpeedFan - Access temperature sensor in your computer to replace it if the user needs a program for controlling the fans.

If you remove Afterburner and replace it with SpeedFan, let us know if that helps or not with the crashes.


Also, how are things going since reducing the RAM frequency and changing the timings?
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07 Jun 2012   #6

Windows 7 64 bit
 
 

Hi, Thanks for the replies, I haven't done any serious gaming with the system since dropping the memory down.

I understand of course that overclocking is not a precise science although I have followed every guide I can find have read countless articles.

The information about the memory was useful though, I hadn't read about the 1333mhz limit on the IMC, I don't understand why ASUS touts the higher RAM ratings, surely its false advertising.

Obviously following those guides, I test my overclocks thoroughly and they pass all accepted tests. Even passing OCCT which is supposed to be the most likely to fail.

The fact that I have 8192MB of RAM and I test with 6144MB, with the system using around 1800MB, the RAM is being very severely tested, 8 hour pass of prime95 but then crash after 2 hours of FSX.

Will test again today with FSX.
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07 Jun 2012   #7

Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit
 
 

Alright, keep us posted. Best of luck!
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