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Windows 7: Seemingly random BSODs, when accessing win explorer, chrome, games,etc

02 Aug 2012   #11
FredeGail

Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate: x64 (SP1)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by shuttyt View Post
So I decided to try to just do a complete new install on a different drive, and boot from there, but during the win 7 installation, i got a BSOD. keep in mind that this is still in the boot-from-CD stage.

As far as im concerned, this can only really point to hardware. Am i correct in doing so? And if i were to assume anything, I can only say that it would be the mobo.
Yes, you're correct. We can start doing some hardware diagnoses. The first one we'd begin with, is the memory sticks as they're likely to produce and generate BSODs.

warning   Warning
Note that the below instructions may break your WARRANTY rules. If you're unsure check manuals, separated warranty papers, stickers on computer for secure permission.

To ensure that we'll know if it's the slots on the motherboard that's broken, or the sticks itself - we have a little procedure we'll recommend. Remove 1 stick, scan the other with Memtest in the current slot. After 7 passes, move the stick to another slot and scan, and so on and so forth until you've scanned all the sticks, and all the slots, one by one.

Memtest86+ - Advanced Memory Diagnostic Tool

Best Regards,
Frederik.


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02 Aug 2012   #12
shuttyt

Win 7 Pro 64 bit
 
 

oh, I've already ran two days worth of passes with both of my sticks in all slots. I guess I should have mentioned that.

I also ran chkdsk and the manufacturers diags on all my drives, no bad sectors.

Other than that, all I'm using is a GPU and motu media card, which i took out for testing anyways.

Is it possible that it could be caused by the cpu?
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02 Aug 2012   #13
FredeGail

Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate: x64 (SP1)
 
 

Yes, everything is possible.

So as it is right now, you can't boot into Windows 7 at all, because it didn't finish the installation? If you want to give it a try, you can install Ubuntu for the moment.

Ubuntu why & how

For a trial, try downloading a copy of Ubuntu and see if your system will crash.
By that, we'd have an idea if Windows 7's drivers and system is broken. You can try it out on a
flash drive if you so desire.
Go to Ubuntu.com | Download the image | See how to create a bootable flash drive
Leave it running for some time and report your results.

Best Regards,
Frederik.
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02 Aug 2012   #14
shuttyt

Win 7 Pro 64 bit
 
 

i still have my original load of windows on another drive i could use. I was going to try a clean windows load, but then it crashed.

I think I will give ubuntu a go though.
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02 Aug 2012   #15
FredeGail

Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate: x64 (SP1)
 
 

Oh alright.
Take all the time you'll need.

Best Regards,
Frederik.
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25 Aug 2012   #16
shuttyt

Win 7 Pro 64 bit
 
 

its been a while, but only because I sent my mobo back in to ASUS as an RMA. I got it back, and immediately got several bluecreens.

I decided that I needed to isolate some more variables. I stuck in a 2gb kingston memory stick into an absolutely clean win 7 load, no drivers or anything loaded. I've done this before and got bluescreens on a clean load, however, I decided to try this with a different stick of ram.

I didnt receive any immediate bluescreens and did some research while waiting. I found out that my specific model of ram was not on the "qualified vendor list". What was listed was the same module type but only as an 8gb stick, not as a 4gb. Mine was not listed at all (even though the model is the same, excepting one digit signifying size). The kingston stick WAS listed, so i started wondering if perhaps this stick was not really configured properly with the board.

I then decided to try to tweak some settings under the bios. I started to look under the settings to see if perhaps the bios configured the modules improperly. The board automatically detected the ram and recommended settings, however, i noticed that under XMP, only one variable was changed: the voltage. The voltage was boosted from the native 1.5V to 1.65V. I decided, just for kicks, to test the OC tuner feature, just to see what it gave me. It, of course, tuned the voltage up as well.

Doing some research on XMP settings with ASUS motherboards, I saw a few posts talking about how occasionally ASUS boards will undercut the power to the ram, so some slight tweaking may be required and/or advised.

Is this accurate? Could it be a factor? Would using this XMP setting be recommended?
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25 Aug 2012   #17
FredeGail

Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate: x64 (SP1)
 
 

Well ah, if your sticks ain't on the vendor list, it doesn't mean that they're not supported. Frankly, the vendor list is like a list of all those sticks they have tested as far as I'm concerned. Though as you said, voltage and clock changes may take place if ASUS haven't tested these sticks for whatever reason.
As long as you only stay within the areas of your factory clock and voltage, you should have no problems changing it back and forth. It's just a question about being a little careful otherwise they get fried.

What happens if you put everything on [AUTO]?

Good job,
Fred.
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25 Aug 2012   #18
shuttyt

Win 7 Pro 64 bit
 
 

the auto setting puts everything down to 1.5v, but some posts that i saw said that on occasion, asus boards will send less than it claims to do. They said that manually inputting the voltage is more reliable. I'm not necessarily sure as to the validity of this statement, but as far as I'm concerned, the only thing to do at this point is to change out the ram (even tho the ram i've used is verified as good), change out the CPU, or change out the board. Essentially, I would have to buy a new board as i dont have one i can couple with the CPU I have.

Just in case it helps, I included the SF diag reports for the absolutely clean load, no drivers, but also no activity. I let it idle and found later that it had blue-screened.
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25 Aug 2012   #19
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Just a thought: My Asus motherboard with Kingston ram (1.65 volts) will not work with XMP. The speeds and volts go to high. I have good results setting Dram volts manually at 1.64 volts. I have also tried it at 1.5 volts. Seam to work well their also.
I recommend just setting your bios to default, (Auto). After you and Fred get your problems sorted out you can tinker with bios if you desire.
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25 Aug 2012   #20
shuttyt

Win 7 Pro 64 bit
 
 

ok, thats sounds good then. I was just afraid that perhaps the xmp setting would have been better suited, or rather that the auto setting was not configuring properly. which still leaves me with nothing other than a suspicion of the mobo and cpu. *sigh*
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