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Windows 7: BSoDs randomly on various of games

10 Oct 2014   #81
TheJmJ

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I switched the GPU from x16 to x8 apparently, and the BSoDs were happening too (2x, the most recent one is the only one I sent to you)


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10 Oct 2014   #82
essenbe

Windows 7 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Pro X64/Linux Mint
 
 

If there is no difference, you can put it in whichever slot you want. I'm interested to see what another similar card will do.
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10 Oct 2014   #83
essenbe

Windows 7 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Pro X64/Linux Mint
 
 

Also, could you go into BIOS and tell me the values shown for the +12V, +5V and +3.3V. Also, the CPU Temp, Motherboard temp.
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10 Oct 2014   #84
TheJmJ

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Before I send you the screenies, I want to mention that I haven't been able to cause the USB BSoDs anymore. My driver crashed again, and instead of booting a game, I closed the computer. Remember when I said that always when I did that after a crash, I'd get an USB_DRIVER BSoD? I've done the same 3 times recently, and I haven't gotten a single BSoD regarding my USB drivers now.

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10 Oct 2014   #85
essenbe

Windows 7 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Pro X64/Linux Mint
 
 

OK, you're going to have to help me out here a little. I'm not overly familiar with AMD,so anywhere I'm wrong, don't hesitate to correct me, but I see a couple of things. Your CPU temp, is 49C, which is at idle. That sounds high to me. It is my understanding that the TJ Max is 72C, so at idle you are 23C below max, which is not very good for gaming and such. Ant CPU when you start putting it under pressure, is going to get a lot of increase. Also, I see your voltage is at offset with a value of Auto. On Intel systems, a voltage of Auto means take all you want, which is not what you want. I want the smallest voltage I can that will run my frequency stable.

The BIOS values are much more accurate. Just remember that software is basically a ball park figure, it is not an exact science. So, even overclocked and running Prime, I will always stay 10-15C below what TJ Max is. TJ Max is the junction of the cores, and the max is the point they will start shutting down to protect itself from damage. Your Motherboard temps seem to be OK. The voltages seem to be good. The problem with voltages, is the most accurate reading is BIOS. But, BIOS is at idle. You don't know what they do when under stress, which is what's important. A bad PSU can show normal at idle, but just not cut it when it is supposed to be putting out close to max. And software again, is not real reliable and you can't consult BIOS while using it.
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10 Oct 2014   #86
TheJmJ

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

This is my first build with fully AMD, so I'm not sure about the temps either.
So how should I set the voltages exactly?
Also, what do I do with the CPU? Because I took the BIOS temps after computer being under stress for about 3-5 hours. Also, should I show you how I have positioned my fans and ask your opinion how I should've put them? Because right now the top fan is pushing out very hot air.
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07 Nov 2014   #87
TheJmJ

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Ok, after a while of gaming today, I noticed something odd.
This game, trackmania 2 Stadium has some odd problems rendering the windows of one's buildings, and they're flickering all the time. I didn't really think of it as a huge problem, and kept playing. (this was first noticed 1 month ago).

So, now I was playing for a while and then suddendly, a new track got loaded and huge amount of texture flickers was going on on the map. I checked out my GPU temp, and it in fact had max of a 97șc. Also the max fan duty(%) was 1993211914.0. Also my fan speed's min was 0RPM.
This does confirm that it really is the problem with the GPU? Am I right?

Oh also, no BSoD happened oddly enough.
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07 Nov 2014   #88
essenbe

Windows 7 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Pro X64/Linux Mint
 
 

As far as fan positioning goes, there are a lot of opinions on which is best. But, the bottom line is that you will either have negative air pressure or Positive air pressure inside of your case. You will notice the rear of your case and any fan positions that are not filled as well as all the creases in the case. Air flows through every one of them. With negative air pressure, air is being pulled in from them. With positive air pressure air will be pushed out of them. I am a firm believer in positive air pressure. I have Water cooling and as a result have about 15 fans in my case. I have every one as an intake fan except the 1 rear fan is an exhaust. That basically means that everything inside my case is being pushed out of any place it can find to go. Negative will do the opposite. This is a good example of Positive. http://silverstonetek.com/techtalk_c...itive&area=usa

Conventional wisdom is that the top fans should be exhaust fans as hot air rises, so is natural for it to be expelled from the top of the case. I don't subscribe to that and hot air will not rise if there is enough air being blown down to prevent it. It will be forced out the back and cooler air will replace it. Again, this is debated among almost everyone. But air should flow from front to back of the case. If you have a place and are having temp problems, as it sounds like you are, any additional fans should be intake fans positioned to blow on the overheated components. With you it appears to be your GPU and CPU. It is logical that the outside air is cooler than the air inside your case. Your GPU and CPU cooling is using the air inside your case to cool it. The cooler that air is, the more effective the cooling solutions will be. However you decide to go is completely up to you and your case design and how many fan mounts you have.

As far as your most recent problem, 97C is entirely too hot for any card. Whether it is a problem of fans and their placement or a problem of your card, I don't know. A test that may help it to take the side panel off and blow a house fan directly on the card and see if that helps. Lowering your in game settings will help too. Your max fan duty number makes me think it is some kind of software problem. I have never seen a number like that.

I realize I didn't answer any of your questions, but gave you some things to think about. We had already discussed your CPU temps. Both temps have to be brought under control more. The GPU should never be that hot. I would clean the inside of the case and GPU, CPU fan and radiator with a can of compressed air. Your external fans should all have filter on them to keep dust from entering the case. Filters also restrict air flow. There is a trade off for everything. But dust inside of a case is never a good thing. Good cable management is a must too. The cables should never restrict air flow.
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07 Nov 2014   #89
TheJmJ

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

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Here is a screenshot of my case. I also have 1 fans lot on the doorway I hadn't placed. On the top, I have 2 slots for fans, but I only have placed one on the right side. There is also a slot on the bottom, which I didn't use.
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07 Nov 2014   #90
essenbe

Windows 7 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Pro X64/Linux Mint
 
 

OK, what am I missing. It looks like you have a graphics card in the bottom X16 slot. It should be in the top slot, unless I just can't see it. Why is the rear fan turned around? Is there a specific reason? Your CPU cooler looks like you are blowing air from the bottom to the top. Is there a specific reason? That is not in itself a bad solution, but, airflow should be front to back, and if you can turn it around, you can blow air out of the bask of the case. I can't tell, but the bundle of wires need to be pulled all the way against the back of the case if possible. I have never used the case you have, but if there is space, you can pull all the wires behind the motherboard tray and back in where they are needed. You may not have space in that case, I don't know. Am I correct that there are no hard drive cages between the front fans and the interior of the case? If so, that is a very good thing. If you can, place the fan on the door blowing directly on the GPU. With fans you run the trade between noise and airflow. The best fans are pretty expensive, but I would put the fan on the door blowing as much outside air as possible on the GPU. I am glad to see you placed the PSU with the fan down. I am assuming there is a vent below it. Many people place it the other way, you did good there.
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