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Windows 7: Repeating issues and BSODs on a 5 year old pc with replaced parts

05 Dec 2015   #1
nolife1123

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 
Repeating issues and BSODs on a 5 year old pc with replaced parts

Hey guys, my brother bought his pc about 5-6 years ago (Gainward GTX560 GS, x4 955 cpu, 4x2gigs of 2 different Gskill 1333mhz sets of ram, 120gb Samsung evo 840, 1tb WD 7200 rpm hdd, Asrock 870 extreme 3 mobo)

And after a few months, or within the first year, the pc started having issues, BSOD's in games (different ones, not only one), tested the ram and it was bad, returned it, got new ram, fixed the issues for a while. A while after, they returned, thought it might be the old Palit gtx560 gfx card, as it always showed graphic drivers crashing (and rarely BSOD's) in Minecraft, Smite, Skyrim and pretty much everything he played. And the temperatures were all quite low, barely ever reaching 70 degrees celsius, even in games, it was very stable temperature-wise.

After a while, we thought it could be a PSU issue, so we replaced it as well, I got a new GPU for my pc, so I let him have my Gainward GTX560 GS, but the issues continued.
The BSOD's always said it was a sort of a memory issue, thinking it's the ram all over again, I memtested all four modules without a single error in 8 hours of runtime, inspected the PC and saw that my brother placed them incorrectly - the 2 different types were paired up, thinking how that might've been the issue, i've replaced them from a 1 1 2 2 position to a 1 2 1 2 position, so they end up paired. This ended up causing even more issues, the pc started bluescreening when booting, wouldnt boot at all showing there's no bootable device, saying that a recent hardware or software change might've done it.

So I went ahead and tested the modules by their sets (2 red ones and 2 black ones) and that has accomplished literally nothing, cause it kept crashing no matter which ones were in, which would mean that either all four of them are broken, or that neither of them are (way more likely).
After a while of research and some long unslept nights, I've reached a conclusion that it could likely be either the SSD gone bad, or the mobo, which was very likely. I've still taken precausions by testing both the 1 tb WD HDD and the Samsung Evo SSD for bad sectors, twice! The results were clear, not a single bad sector or error was found there.
There was nothing left to do other than try a new mobo, so we've decided for an Asrock 970 Pro 3 since it was the only one in stock.

Plugged it in today, plugged in everything properly and turned on the pc, which showed a "Bootmgr is missing" error, restarted the pc and had a white blinking dash on top of the screen only, googled around, fiddled around BIOS, found that the SATA controller was disabled for the SSD, turned it on, installed windows in the SSD, when starting up it showed a quick glimpse of a blue screen with memory dump info, then got to a screen saying I can either "fix windows installation" or start normally, tried to start normally, got another BSOD with a ntfs.sys error, and another which indicated SSD failure, replaced the SSD with a HDD I had left from dad's laptop. Tried to install windows on that, when I got an error when loading the Windows dvd (right after the "windows is loading files" screen) with various .sys errors.
Unplugged the DVD drive and tried to sort it through a USB bootable Windows installation, which had led to the very same issue, a BSOD right after windows setup loaded files (Hidclass.sys this time). I've tried to do it with each ram module separately, no use.

If anyone would have a single clue what might be wrong in my bro's pc, I'd be very, very grateful, as we've replaced the GPU, mobo, ram, ssd (temporarily), PSU so far and nothing seemed to work, the only thing we haven't replaced yet is the CPU, but after a 6 hours torture test, it showed no signs of being broken, or even malfunctioning.
Unfortunately, I cannot supply you guys with the latest BSOD's as the pc is inoperable at the moment, but I do have those from before we grabbed the new mobo, which were from times when we switched around the rams to check them out, and before we fiddled with anything in the pc.


Excuse me for not fitting the whole BSOD section completely, but this issue is a crossover issue between BSODs and hardware, and I wasn't sure where to post it . Thanks a lot anyways!


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07 Dec 2015   #2
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

Hello and welcome Roman mate when you said you ran the memtest what memtest did you use as we only recommend this one
RAM - Test with Memtest86+ it MUST be run for at least 8 passes anythng less is useless.

The swapping around of the RAM sticks (if they has similar specs) I don't think would have had that much to do with the issues though - I stand to be corrected.

The dump files certainly show some quite freaky stuff (to me) especially that FNODOBFM a few Googles turned up stuff on drivers and in your msinfo32 there is a problem device see pic

Also you might try this if you an get the machine to run Driver Verifier - Enable and Disable
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07 Dec 2015   #3
nolife1123

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I've gotten the bios version of memtest (86) and tested the RAM, gotten a few hundred thousand errors within the first 15 mins of testing (from range of 4k mb to 8k mb, likely 2 ram modules as far as I noticed), with a 5% pass rate, terminated it and went off by testing each ram at a time, had a 100% pass rate on 3 of the modules (with 10 tests passed) and it wouldnt even turn off with the last one (black screen, nothing seemed to happen, altho the pc did run).
Afterwards, I took the one that I couldn't turn the pc on with, and it's pair module, ran the tests, and it passed 10/10 tests twice without a single error. It's quite weird, I'm very sure the ram is broken, likely that very one that gave 10/10 passes.

EDIT: Retesting with Memtest86+ v5.01 for 7+ passes per each ram set, will post results when it's finished!
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07 Dec 2015   #4
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

Mate you must also take into account it could also be the slots - unusual but possible so testing with the good stick in all slots is the only way of finding that tedious but if it comes up errors then worth it.

What to do about it is well frankly a) a new board or b) two or one large stick installed in the good slots - by the way this is a better proposition than running more than two sticks because the stick will be manufactured as one unit and the two set / kit more likely to match specs so much better as they will come form the same batch of manufacture.
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08 Dec 2015   #5
nolife1123

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ICIT2LOL View Post
Mate you must also take into account it could also be the slots - unusual but possible so testing with the good stick in all slots is the only way of finding that tedious but if it comes up errors then worth it.

What to do about it is well frankly a) a new board or b) two or one large stick installed in the good slots - by the way this is a better proposition than running more than two sticks because the stick will be manufactured as one unit and the two set / kit more likely to match specs so much better as they will come form the same batch of manufacture.
Retested all the modules for 7+ passes, both sets showed no errors at all (tested them for 6+ hours, according to their pair module 2 by 2).
What's rather peculiar is the fact that according to the specs, the 2 ram sets actually have different latencies, the black ones run on 7-7-7-21-2N latency, while the red ones run on 9-9-9-24-2N latency (sources: RipjawsX - F3-10666CL9D-4GBXL - G.SKILL DDR3 Memory , Ripjaws - F3-10666CL7D-4GBRH - G.SKILL DDR3 Memory ), could that be the reason for so much hassle over the past 1-1.5 weeks? It couldn't possible be the only reason, the BSODs were way too frequent, especially with that new mobo (couldn't even initialize windows installations, nor boot up from 2 different hdd's).
The ram sets were bought separately, with over a year between them (that was the year when the factories were flooded, all memory and hdd's were extremely expensive at a time, so we pretty much bought the cheapest reliable memory), so we didn't pay much attention to their specs.

I'll likely put them all in again and test it it without matching the latencies in bios settings, then try it again with matched latencies (changed to 9-9-9-24-2N for all the rams), if it's exactly the same like such, I'll test each of the slots separately with a (hopefully) working ram module.

Thanks a lot for the help so far by the way!

EDIT: placed all four rams with the new latencies, been running for a while now and no errors to be found (the 500k errors I had were likely caused by improper ram placement, there seems to be nothing wrong with it), I'll try to install a fresh copy of windows, sort the driver verifier settings and test with the usual games that it crashed like hell with.

EDITv2: Installed Windows, taking ~2 hours to check for updates so far (had this happen with my Windows installation disc already, so, it's normal), haven't had issues so far, even tho I've never actually had issues outside of games anyways, so the first reliable test would likely be running them (which might take a while, considering the nature of windows updates speed )
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08 Dec 2015   #6
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

I think I might have mentioned it before but do keep an eye out for that KB3035533 if you don't want any 10 crap on the machine use the elt me choose option to view them first before you download them even - tedious but worth it.

Now I am not brushing you aides but one person that could help you with the RAM is Tradesman he runs this forum and I have used it it extensively in the past. Welcome to the G.SKILL TECH FORUM he can tell you just exactly what is what with RAM and especially G Skill.
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09 Dec 2015   #7
nolife1123

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ICIT2LOL View Post
I think I might have mentioned it before but do keep an eye out for that KB3035533 if you don't want any 10 crap on the machine use the elt me choose option to view them first before you download them even - tedious but worth it.

Now I am not brushing you aides but one person that could help you with the RAM is Tradesman he runs this forum and I have used it it extensively in the past. Welcome to the G.SKILL TECH FORUM he can tell you just exactly what is what with RAM and especially G Skill.
I always use the let me choose option, just in case things like that get added since I last installed windows.
Thanks for the tip over the w10 update, I'll surely disable that, it's quite annoying!

I'm pretty sure my timings are still not perfectly set, as Memtest86+ shows a *XMP* (memory overclocked) sign that I ended up looking up (on the forums you linked :3!)

I've also looked up specs on my mobo and cpu, the cpu doesn't support ram over 1333mhz, nor over 1.425V while both of the ram sets are set to 1,550V since it was the closest to their marked 1.5V requirement, mobo doesn't seem to have issues, altho it does say it only supports overclocking on 1600mhz ram and above (marked with a (OC) sign, likely misinterpreted by me).
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