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15 Oct 2011   #161
Golden
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ult. x64
 
 

Red-shifting isn't a theory, and neither are the causes for it. Its a scientific phenomenon that can be readily observed. Theories are scientific concepts backed by models but without observation. Once you test and confirm your theory with observations that predict the model, the theory has been proven.

Logically, if something is expanding, it must have expanded from somewhere. Think about it this way : if you take a large inflated baloon, with a small part of its stretched skin covered in many dots made with a marker pen half a millimetre apart, and proceed to slowly deflate the balloon, then we can agree that these dots will become closer to one another. If we completely deflate the baloon, then these dots may merge together completely. So, out of a single point on the baloon, we ended up with many small dots - this is the thinking behind the Big Bang theory of the universe.
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15 Oct 2011   #162
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

Just as you do not accept what I say, the same is true for me. However, there is no point in laboring the question, because neither of us are going to be persuaded by the other. Still, I will say that just because some observation seems to support a theory, that does not make the theory fact. Many times evidence seems to support a concept, yet later is found that it is unrelated.
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16 Oct 2011   #163
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

I thought that it might be useful to quote a couple of the connotations of the definition of theory:

Quote:
1. a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity. Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine.

2. a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact. Synonyms: idea, notion hypothesis, postulate. Antonyms: practice, verification, corroboration, substantiation.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/theory

It seems that you have only accepted the second connotation, and not the first one.
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16 Oct 2011   #164
bigmck

Windows 7 Home Premium 32-Bit - Build 7600 SP1
 
 

With any theory as to when something began, there is always a problem as to "what happened before that". Whether it is what came first the "chicken or the egg" or if it is the Big Band Theory. == My personal favorite alternative to the Big Bang is that our world and universe is inside a test tube in some laboratory. Even with that you have to wonder where the laboratory came from.
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16 Oct 2011   #165
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

Of course, many people ignore it, but the Scriptures tell us which came first...the chicken, as well as with every other species. The eggs and other off springs followed. Your laboratory concept would be good, except that implies experiments, and nothing in the universe is one.
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16 Oct 2011   #166
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

I believe the Big Bang happened and God make it happen.
Their was a theory one time that the earth was flat, so much for theory.
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16 Oct 2011   #167
2010MegaScooter

Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit SP1
 
 

Well, I still doubt it.. Our Earth has been getting along with this universe for.. 4 billion years.. Why does it have to be this one small date that freaks everyone?
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16 Oct 2011   #168
bigmck

Windows 7 Home Premium 32-Bit - Build 7600 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by 2010MegaScooter View Post
Well, I still doubt it.. Our Earth has been getting along with this universe for.. 4 billion years.. Why does it have to be this one small date that freaks everyone?
It is strange how people get fixated on number and believe it is special. I remember when July 7, 1977 occurred. Since it was 7/7/77, the gamblers thought this had special meaning and the betting increased that day in Las Vegas.
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17 Oct 2011   #169
Thorsen

Win7 Home Premium 64x
 
 

However we go, its gonna be soon with how careful we are being....

Reconstructing Black Death: Why Was Plague Microbe so Deadly? | PBS NewsHour | Oct. 13, 2011 | PBS

and this:

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18 Oct 2011   #170
n0th1n9

Vista HP, Vista Ultimate, XP Pro, Seven Ultimate x2
 
 

I think the problem with the red shift is the lack differentiating between material objects and space/universe. I think that the red shift is not proof of an expanding universe but is just simply proof that galaxies are moving away from each other. Just as we could observe a red shift or a shift in sound waves from a passing car, it doesn't mean the road it drives on is expanding. It moves freely without a need for an expanding universe.

Let us say that the universe is not expanding, we would still experience the red shift having galaxies and stars light waves stretched out. It would be the same observation.

It is important to remember that interpretation of evidence is not evidence of interpretation.
Just my thoughts.
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