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Windows 7: Yesterday XP, Today Win 7, Tomorrow Win 8, Day after tomorrow what?

07 Oct 2011   #11
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by z3r010 View Post
95 was 8MB recommended, it wasn't until the XP days that 256's were routinely used.
Oopps....XP was what I meant. That's what the OP was going back to.

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Microsoft could still make it easier for power users to strip down their OS to what they really want/need and remove the rest. That's simply a question of design and component interoperability, and MS wouldn't lose anything by making it easier to do. But they make it intentionally difficult instead.
I'm unsure why a "power user" would want to strip their machine down to nothing. I assume you are expressing the desire to run the lowest load possible and thus increase performance of your running apps. But I don't think these things go directly hand in hand. For example, if you feel the extra 400MB or so from the OS running is really hammering photoshop, why not open your PC and put in 512MB more RAM and tell us how much better it is? My guess is it wouldn't change at all. And most of us "power users" aren't using just enough to get by, but systems that are far overkill in most cases. I just don't see a huge benefit to reducing the OS down to just the absolute components and nothing else.

I used to believe in the past that turning off aero, shutting off transparencies and such made my computer faster. Time tests say otherwise, as now it's not my GPU doing the computational but rather my CPU. So, my attempts at tweaking actually slowed down the machine overall.
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07 Oct 2011   #12
cluberti

Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Corazon View Post
Microsoft could still make it easier for power users to strip down their OS to what they really want/need and remove the rest. That's simply a question of design and component interoperability, and MS wouldn't lose anything by making it easier to do. But they make it intentionally difficult instead.
They would lose nothing? How about now having to have multiple code paths and trees to support and maintain, and patch, and test all updates against (for literally thousands or tens of thousands of hardware, driver, and software combinations), and.... you get the point. Just because something can be done doesn't mean there's a reasonable amount of time or money in the project budget to do so. It doesn't make fiscal or time sense to spend that kind of effort on 1% of your user base, even if that base is millions. The lion's share will never touch it, it adds complexity and points for failure, and ultimately, someone will have to pay for it (hint, it will be the consumer, not Microsoft - those costs will get passed on) - there's no return on investment, it won't help sell more products, and it will make the difficult job of both building the product and maintaining it that much more complex and expensive. Where's the return on investment?

I'd prefer they just do a good job with what they have and what they're designing for release next, rather than making Windows modular in that extent.
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07 Oct 2011   #13
arkhi

Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195
 
 

I mistakenly placed 16GB of memory in my laptop and I'm Dying for Windows to use all of it D:< Otherwise, I can't get any bigger than 10-12GB of usage even with heavy gamage <_<
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07 Oct 2011   #14
rraod

MS Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1
 
 

I had a spare evening and tried to put something which was on my mind for some time. It does not mean that I am not for upgrading for new OS versions.

I was one of the first person in my office to tryout the new OS versions and really enjoy exploring the new features. Only in case of Windows 7, I explored it as soon as it is released but has not adopted till recently.

Anyway I enjoyed the discussions on this topic. I appreciate the time the members have taken in dissecting my post and explaining in detail. Thanks a lot!
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07 Oct 2011   #15
seavixen32

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-Bit
 
 

It's an interesting topic and got the responses it warranted, so well done to you, rraod, for taking the time to start the discussion.
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07 Oct 2011   #16
cluberti

Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

+1 agreed.
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07 Oct 2011   #17
Corazon

Windows 7 Professional SP1 32-bit
 
 

I never said Microsoft should allow you to "strip down the OS to nothing" and I have no problem with it using however much RAM it wants to use...that's what the RAM is there for. It's not about disabling Aero and things like that to gain a few fractions of a percent more performance either...I agree, that's just silly (and I LIKE the Aero look and other eyecandy btw).

I'm simply saying that all the OS components are way too interconnected and it should be easier to choose what you want and what you don't want. And this is strictly for power users who know the possible consequences and can fix a problem by re-adding a component they thought they didn't need. I just don't understand why MS has to make it harder for them while making things easy for the average consumer. That is all...

For example, why aren't there simple uninstall options for Windows DVD Maker or Windows Mail or Windows Defender (none of which I use)? And why must I keep copies of a ton of things I'll never use in the winsxs cache, for example all the games or the sample music and video clips? I appreciate the convenience of not having to insert the Windows install DVD everytime Windows needs something that isn't currently installed, but I would gladly have it ask for the DVD instead of being forced through MS' design to keep that huge winsxs folder on my harddisk if I could. They simply don't allow you to do that.
(I know of course that winsxs isn't a simple backup, but also MS' answer to DLL hell by managing multiple versions of specific DLLs. But it's ALSO being used as a complete database of all Windows features from all editions of Windows.)

What about the IME input methods for Korean and Japanese and what-not that I'll never need? Microsoft speech lexicons for British English when all I use is American English? All this is just unused dead weight, and dead weight bothers me by principle though I realize that in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter that much.

I once removed all the printer and modem drivers from \Windows\system32\DriverStore since I'll never use them (but backed them up first) - and I figure that Windows will simply download any driver I need in the future online. Turns out I started having all kinds of problems that didn't even have anything to do with modems or printers. Only when I restored the backup things would be perfectly fine again. That doesn't make sense to me.


...I know this seems like a long rant, but it isn't really intended as such. I just tried to come up with as many examples as I could to make my point. Not trying to argue anything forcefully
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