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Windows 7: Do you believe in aliens?

View Poll Results: Do you believe in aliens?
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18 Feb 2012   #211
pincushion

Windows 7 x64 SP1
 
 

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Honestly ,I think there is another version of us out there but they are not in the state of mind we are

I think they are more Intelligent and have figured out how to preseve life better and most likly watch us wondering when we will reach there level of knowledge

I doubt space travel will be anything like StarTrek warp speed nonsens i just think we can discover new places but really won't be able to see it in out in our life time

It takes Generations just to reach pluto that means 6 or 7 generations might have to be spawned on a ship with no supplies takes alot of planning

It is amazing how far we come but im sure the other beings out there have a better relationship with God then we do
Which is why I don't believe space travel will actually occur until we have sufficiently advanced systems that do not rely on humans in any way - even to the extent of frozen states. I believe that possibly the storage of sperm/ova and initiating life once a viable planet is located is more likely. Far fewer problems than having to protect humans and possible conflict during such voyages. Humans will have to have been made much more stable before this is possible in my view. Humans might be good problem solvers to have around but they also tend to do just that - create problems. Not really any unsurmountable obstacles for raising humans via technology rather than human nurturing even if it does seem a long way off.

I must assume under this scenario, that a computer will initiate and monitor incubation of the sperm and ova, but do you really believe that a computer will be able to raise the child in a manner anywhere near to that intended? A computer may be able to convey knowledge, but that doesn't include intelligence, discipline and wisdom needed for any person to accomplish a mission...unless that mission is nothing more than for that person to exist on the spaceship, or some distant planet. Of course, it would also require an Eve to keep Adam company, otherwise it really would be a bleak existence.

That someone may attempt something like this wouldn't surprise me, because the one trait dominant in mankind is it's inhumanity to their fellow men.
Well my remarks do envisage a lot of progress with regards to science and technology but I doubt there are insurmountable obstacles as to this idea. This would undoubtably need a very reliable and secure computer system that would have to contain virtually all of the knowledge that exists on earth that would be relevant to humans and to the task. I agree it is hardly optimal to have humans nurtured by anything other than other humans but needs must! Android machines sufficiently advanced to cope with whatever occurs on the ship and eventually with producing and raising humans is a daunting prospect too but it is not impossible that they could be surrogates for humans in the distant future. I would assume that the intelligence/knowledge of the androids would be sufficient to function with all extra information obtainable from the 'master' machine thus reducing what might seem an impossibility. Providing an equivalent learning environment to that which we might experience on earth is a big challenge too but we are learning all the time about what makes us tick so it's all about ensuring something that works. Although there will be ethical issues I am sure it is something that eventually could be tested beforehand. I would think that quite a large ship would be required to cope with all that humans would need to accomplish this and as it would seem pointless travelling to a planet unless it did obviously have a good chance of supporting life a lot of remote probing would be necessary beforehand. This alone will probably take a long time so there will be plenty of time for things to progress with regards to development. I guess I do tend to trust in technology and what humans have actually achieved so far in order to predict this scenario. I would think that more than one of these 'arks' would be needed obviously. If there was a very real chance that life on earth was really in danger then all other considerations would have to be abandoned if the options were simply as a species do we live or do we die? I am probably very wrong with my ramblings though, lol.



ps Although you might not like the idea we are already learning how to raise some animal species that do not have their parents to raise them so we must be learning a lot from this - granted humans are rather different.
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18 Feb 2012   #212
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

I would say that you have far, far more faith in science than I do, but it would be more accurate to use the term sci-fi instead. However, contrary to popular opinion, there is much more than relates to fiction, than science.
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18 Feb 2012   #213
A Guy

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1
 
 

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Pluto is on average 3.5 billion miles from Earth, so on a space carft that travels at 36,000mph, a trip will only take about 10 years.

Sign me up.
Bring a warm coat

A Guy
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18 Feb 2012   #214
Alviran

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Sure, I talk to them all the time
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19 Feb 2012   #215
pincushion

Windows 7 x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister View Post
I would say that you have far, far more faith in science than I do, but it would be more accurate to use the term sci-fi instead. However, contrary to popular opinion, there is much more than relates to fiction, than science.
I was in engineering before I retired and I try to keep up with developments in science and technology - an ever-increasing task now though . Satellites would have been seen as Sc-Fi many decades ago but were predicted by the Sc-Fi writer Arthur C Clarke and the mobile phone similarly might not have been predicted as so commonplace and essential as perhaps we accept now - universal use of home computer systems, robots that can run, climb stairs etc. - all within about six decades. What will occur in the future centuries if we survive our problems? We had lasers for which initially there was no use and now are used in a wide variety of applications. We have a new material - graphene - who knows what that will be used for? We are still at the frontiers of knowledge in many areas still. I suppose I'm optimistic but I wouldn't regard many predictions of the future as pure science fiction - just plausible scenarios.

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19 Feb 2012   #216
Britton30
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

Other formerly sci-fi things.

Dick Tracy's watch radio Cell phone
Death ray Laser beam
Invisible airplanes/boats Stealth technology, F-117 Nighthawk
Traveling supersonic SST, now grounded
Travel without animals Cars
Doors that open on approach Wal*Mart, grocery stores
Computer Look on your desk
Wireless communication Marconi's radio
Bionic body parts Pacemaker, artificial heart
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19 Feb 2012   #217
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

pincushion,

Did I say anything that should have been taken as that sci-fi never inspires scientific innovation...NO. Have I said that it won't do so in the future...NO. It accomplishes nothing to take my post out of the context that it was designed to convey. Or do you really believe that anything that is imagined in comic book sci-fi is really possible? When I say comic book, I'm not just talking about the common paperback cartoons for kids either.
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19 Feb 2012   #218
Solarstarshines

Windows 10 Home Premium 64bit sp1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Golden View Post
Pluto is on average 3.5 billion miles from Earth, so on a space carft that travels at 36,000mph, a trip will only take about 10 years.

Sign me up.

well wasn't being accurate but making a point everyone understood space travel is pretty much limited to this solar system till there is a way to make human life extended beyond what our life span is today
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19 Feb 2012   #219
Solarstarshines

Windows 10 Home Premium 64bit sp1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Britton30 View Post
Other formerly sci-fi things.

Dick Tracy's watch radio Cell phone
Death ray Laser beam
Invisible airplanes/boats Stealth technology, F-117 Nighthawk
Traveling supersonic SST, now grounded
Travel without animals Cars
Doors that open on approach Wal*Mart, grocery stores
Computer Look on your desk
Wireless communication Marconi's radio
Bionic body parts Pacemaker, artificial heart

you forgot synthetic humans cloning and AI robotics from Honda scary scary
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19 Feb 2012   #220
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi there
Sheer statistical analysis would have to lead to the conclusion that there must be beings somewhat similar to ourselves somewhere in the universe -- maybe lots of them.

However the TIMESCALE might be different -- for "recognizable" beings they would have to have evolved in approximately the same type of time period and their home planet would have to have some type of "Day / Night" period not too dissimilar from ours.

Life around Red Dwarf stars is an interesting possibility -- even though the planet would be "Tidally locked" some type of sleep / rest period would still be needed.

Life on an Earth (or even a slightly larger than Mars size moon) around a huge gas giant could also offer endless possibilities -- assuming the radiation effects could be handled or adapted too.

Modern discoveries of the latest batch of extra solar planets lead us to finding "Earthlike" planets very soon. There may well be intelligent species on these.

Whatever one's definition of intelligence there are some basic constraints that would appear to be pretty well universal.

Gravity should not be too low or two high.
Radiation not too extreme -- radiation mutates cells totally unpredictable and could cause the race not to survive.
Senses needed to hunt for food and construct tools etc (this in general marks us different from Animals -- although Gorillas and chimpanzees can use very simple tools like sticks for retriving ants to eat etc)
They should be reasonably agile (mobile) and have limbs capable of construction of artifacts.

It is likely that they would be fairly similar to us.

The speed of light need NOT be a limiting factor in interstellar travel. The General Theory of Relativity (Einstein) allows for the idea of Wormholes and essentially "Warp drives" although it could be centuries away before we can actually construct the hardware.

The great advantage of Warp drives is that you travel in "Real Time" and avoid the "Time dilation" effects if you were actually able to travel at near Light speed. This means that say a 41 light year round trip to Gliese 51 could be done say at 6 months in warp and you would return back to earth both having aged 6 months.

The other way you would do your trip in NO TIME but on Earth everything would have aged 41 years.

Cheers
jimbo
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