Dark Energy May Not Exist At All

Zidane24 · 20 Aug 2009

Just checked...he hasn't been on in a week though

Antman · 20 Aug 2009

Zidane24 said:

...Gold Member is coming up!

I still haven't seen International Man of Mystery. Please, don't ruin the ending.

ten · 21 Aug 2009

ten said:

Besides the energy we receive from the sun

Antman said:

However, everything in our solar environment would change. For one, the Earth would be crispy. Orbital decay would eventually prevail and the Earth would, indeed, be sucked.

No worries though. Following our pending crispiness, the sun lacks the mass to collapse sufficiently to form a black hole.

As for orbital decay, that will not change in the slightest.

Muad Dib · 21 Aug 2009

Ahh yes, an interesting thread.... lots of fish commenting on the state of the pond..... blub, blub... blub.....

Where did I put my tin-foil hat? It was here just a minute ago before I switched on my new black hole garbage disposal.....ooops....

You know there were some in the Manhattan Project that speculated a nuclear explosion might ignite the atmosphere...fortunately they were better theorists than mathematicians.

The black hole researchers (the ones that will appear on Nova) claim the black holes they are trying to create are very small and do not exist for very long.

Hmmmm.... yeah

..... and fission weapons (bad enough) spawned fusion weapons.... potential "planet crackers", a euphemism in actual use. The difficult problem with blowing a planet up though is that, unless escape velocity is achieved, its mass will simply collapse back on its center.

Night, night... sweet dreams!

torrentg · 21 Aug 2009

You are all thinking too much. We are here to love. 11:11, that is all.

darkassain · 21 Aug 2009

Antman said:

Fascinating cross-reference there, DarkOne. Are you familiar with the work of Julian Jaynes? Just curious.

I accept the metabrain as a given. Collective fuzzy logic. And yes, I believe glial cells are involved.

i studied it somewhat in my psychology course (just his concept nothing too deep though)...

Zidane24 said:

As far as I know not much has came of it (or what has been told to the media...we know how well that goes

)...I would like to know if the scientists were successful...unless their not around to tell their story anymore

Thanks Antman...looks like some progress there

yes i would interesting....
what be surprising would be a naked singularity...

in theory that would cause disruptions on a massive scale (if the theory is true) and would change the world as we know it...

ten said:

People tend to have a misunderstanding of black holes. Besides the energy we receive from the sun, if you were to turn it into a black hole, nothing would change. Earth and the likes will not suddenly get sucked into the black hole. They will go on as usual.

yep you need huge amounts of energy to create something that we should be scare about (even our sun is not enough to create a black hole)...

Antman · 21 Aug 2009

ten said:

As for orbital decay, that will not change in the slightest.

That is incorrect. In its non-blackhole form, the sun exerts outward pressure through the expulsion of matter. In a blackhole form, the expulsion ceases. Rate of decay will increase in the absence of an opposing momentum.

This oversimplification assumes spherical expulsion in current form and polar jet expulsion in blackhole form.

Antman · 21 Aug 2009

The super-collider did not fail when it was fired up. It was sabotaged. From the future.

Muad Dib · 21 Aug 2009

torrentg said:

You are all thinking too much. We are here to love. 11:11, that is all.

Guilty as charged! In the future I will refrain from doing so past 11:00 PM EST. Peace! :)

ten · 21 Aug 2009

Antman said:

That is incorrect. In its non-blackhole form, the sun exerts outward pressure through the expulsion of matter. In a blackhole form, the expulsion ceases. Rate of decay will increase in the absence of an opposing momentum.

This oversimplification assumes spherical expulsion in current form and polar jet expulsion in blackhole form.

Sorry but you're wrong. Go ask at Bad Astronomy. The earth and the other bodies that orbit the sun will stay just where they are.