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19 May 2012
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#31 | | Win 7 Ultimate (64-bit), Win 7 Pro (32-bit) N. Calif |
I have an IBM Model M keyboard that I got with an IBM computer in 1986. I have carried it forward to every new computer I've had since. It has been in daily use for the past 26 years and still works as if brand new. Try that with a rubber dome keyboard!
Many (myself included) consider the IBM Model M to be the best keyboard ever made. | My System Specs |
| System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built, Dell Inspiron 1520 Laptop OS Win 7 Ultimate (64-bit), Win 7 Pro (32-bit) CPU 3.4Ghz 3770K i7, 2.4Ghz Core 2 Duo Motherboard Gigabyte Z77X-UD3H, Dell Memory 8G, 3G Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 5770, Mobile Intel 965 Sound Card High Definition Audio (Built-in to mobo) Monitor(s) Displays Dell 2409W 24" Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard IBM Model M - used continuously since 1986 Mouse Microsoft PSU Antec Case Antec 100 Cooling CM 212+ Hard Drives 128G SSD OS; 1.5T & 2T Data on Desktop, 320G for laptop Internet Speed 1.5M down 1.2M up :-( Other Info Also have an Acer Aspire netbook, a home-built AMD Dual core (Minecraft server) and home-built Pent 4 all running Win 7. Also have various machines running XP, Win Server 2K, Win Server 2003, Linux and DOS. I think I have a problem... |
19 May 2012
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#32 | | Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit |

Quote: Originally Posted by strollin I have an IBM Model M keyboard that I got with an IBM computer in 1986. I have carried it forward to every new computer I've had since. It has been in daily use for the past 26 years and still works as if brand new. Try that with a rubber dome keyboard!
Many (myself included) consider the IBM Model M to be the best keyboard ever made. Strollin':
I assume you have the PS2 interface?
Couple of questions:
Have you had any issues using it with an ordinary PS2/USB converter to a USB port?
I've got a PS2 motherboard now, but I expect PS2 to eventually disappear on motherboards.
I've heard of some difficulty with the converters, but not necessarily with the Model M.
Are you still using the original 26 year old non-detachable cable? Are they repairable/replaceable at a reasonable cost or would you just get a new keyboard if the cable died? | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Ignatz Special; 4 speed manual gearbox; factory air conditioning; one of one OS Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit CPU Intel Sandy Bridge i5-2500, not overclocked Motherboard Gigabyte H67A-UD3H-B3, full ATX Memory 4 GB Crucial DDR3-1333 Graphics Card none; graphics are integrated on CPU Sound Card onboard: Realtek ALC892; external: USB Behringer UF0-202 Monitor(s) Displays NEC 90GX2-BK 19" LCD Screen Resolution 800 x 640 Keyboard Leopold Tenkeyless with Cherry Blue switches, USB Mouse Logitech or Microsoft optical wired; either USB or PS 2 PSU Seasonic SS-560KM, modular Case Antec Solo II Cooling CPU: Scythe Big Shuriken; Case: Scythe Slipstream 800 & 500 Hard Drives System: Intel 320 Series SSD, 80 GB;
Data: Samsung Spinpoint 103SJ, 1 TB;
Backup: WD Caviar Green WD15EADS-00P8B0, 1.5TB Other Info Power consumption of this system, including monitor: 68 watts at idle; 144 watts at full load |
19 May 2012
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#33 | | Win 7 Ultimate (64-bit), Win 7 Pro (32-bit) N. Calif |

Quote: Originally Posted by ignatzatsonic 
Quote: Originally Posted by strollin I have an IBM Model M keyboard that I got with an IBM computer in 1986. I have carried it forward to every new computer I've had since. It has been in daily use for the past 26 years and still works as if brand new. Try that with a rubber dome keyboard!
Many (myself included) consider the IBM Model M to be the best keyboard ever made. Strollin':
I assume you have the PS2 interface?
Couple of questions:
Have you had any issues using it with an ordinary PS2/USB converter to a USB port?
I've got a PS2 motherboard now, but I expect PS2 to eventually disappear on motherboards.
I've heard of some difficulty with the converters, but not necessarily with the Model M.
Are you still using the original 26 year old non-detachable cable? Are they repairable/replaceable at a reasonable cost or would you just get a new keyboard if the cable died? I use the original cable which has the the large Din connector. I then have an adapter to adapt that to a PS2 connection and another adapter to adapt that to USB since my current computer does not have a PS2 port. It works great, no issues whatsoever.
The cable on the Model M is heavy duty and is also detachable. I have a number of Model Ms so, if the cable died, I would be able to replace it easily. Since the cable is detachable, I suppose it's possible I could find a cable that had a PS2 end (I doubt I could find one with a USB) and eliminate one adapter but I never bothered with it as what I have works fine.
Only drawback is that the keyboard predates Windows so there is no dedicated Windows key which is why, to this day, even when I use a keyboard that has a Windows key, I never use it.
In the early days of PCs, people would contact IBM to ask if they could buy a keyboard to use with their home-built system. IBM's response was that they sold computer systems, not keyboards, so you could only get a Model M if you bought an IBM computer. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built, Dell Inspiron 1520 Laptop OS Win 7 Ultimate (64-bit), Win 7 Pro (32-bit) CPU 3.4Ghz 3770K i7, 2.4Ghz Core 2 Duo Motherboard Gigabyte Z77X-UD3H, Dell Memory 8G, 3G Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 5770, Mobile Intel 965 Sound Card High Definition Audio (Built-in to mobo) Monitor(s) Displays Dell 2409W 24" Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard IBM Model M - used continuously since 1986 Mouse Microsoft PSU Antec Case Antec 100 Cooling CM 212+ Hard Drives 128G SSD OS; 1.5T & 2T Data on Desktop, 320G for laptop Internet Speed 1.5M down 1.2M up :-( Other Info Also have an Acer Aspire netbook, a home-built AMD Dual core (Minecraft server) and home-built Pent 4 all running Win 7. Also have various machines running XP, Win Server 2K, Win Server 2003, Linux and DOS. I think I have a problem... |
19 May 2012
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#34 | | Windows 7 Home premium 64bit |
Never used them but I am fine with what I have now doesn't really matter to much to me. Maybe later idk, So i'm on the unbiased side so I just voted for the don't care choice. Anyways using a Microsoft USB Comfort Curve Keyboard 2000 (IntelliType Pro) Which cost me $30usd when I got it and feels good to my hands. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number me OS Windows 7 Home premium 64bit CPU AMD Phenom II X4 925 (Deneb) OC 3.4GHz Motherboard M5A78L-MLX Plus Memory 8192MB RAM DDR3 1600 Graphics Card XFX HD 6870 1GB (Connected via HDMI) Monitor(s) Displays Polaroid TLAC-02255 22" Digital HD LED TV and 17"LED Monitor Screen Resolution 1920x1080 60Hz / 1280x1024 60Hz Keyboard Microsoft USB Comfort Curve Keyboard 2000 (IntelliType Pro) Mouse Logitech Optical Gaming Mouse G400 PSU CORSAIR CX600 600w Case AZZA Orion 202 EVO with 3fans and a corsair af fan Cooling cooler master hyper TX3 cpu cooler Hard Drives 500gb hdd 7200rpm Western Digital Internet Speed 5.22Mbps download 0.65Mbps upload Antivirus Comodo Internet Security Browser IE 10 |
21 May 2012
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#35 | | Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit SP1 Maryland, USA |
I was a member of the 'Don't care. A keyboard is "just a keyboard" to me' club until quite recently. I had a chance at a LAN party to spend an hour or so playing SC2 with a Razer Black Widow Ultimate.
I went out and purchased one the very next day. I absolutely love it, and will never go back to dome style boards. It uses Cherry MX Blue switches, is backlit, and is extremely responsive for both gaming, and typing. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Rig OS Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit SP1 CPU Intel Core i7-2600k OC'd @ 5.0Ghz Motherboard ASUS Maximus IV Extreme-Z Memory 16 GB Corsair Vengeance PC3-12800 (4x4GB) Graphics Card XFX 695X DD (x2) in Crossfire Sound Card Realtek ALC889 (Integrated) Monitor(s) Displays XFX Triple Monitor Display w/ 3 ASUS 23.6" LCD Screen Resolution 5760x1080 (AMD Eyefinity) Keyboard Razer Lycosa Mouse Razer Naga & Razer Nostromo PSU XFX ProSeries Black Edition 1000w 80+ Platinum Certified Case Cooler Master HAF X Blue Edition Cooling Corsair H100 w/ Noctua NF-S12B FLX (x4) Push/Pull Hard Drives OCZ Vertex 3 SATA III (120GB)
WD Caviar Black 1.5 TB x2 Other Info ASUS ROG G74SX
-240GB OCZ Vertex II x2 (Raid 0) |
21 May 2012
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#36 | | Win7 Pro x64 Stage 5.0 (26 Dimensional Jump) |
I thought there was an earlier post saying to stay away from the Razer Black Widow, longevity issues or something. Hopped down to the shops yesterday evening, nada  All I could find was the usual suspects, ergonomics, and a couple of gaming keyboards. None of the brands mentioned here. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self-built rig OS Win7 Pro x64 CPU Koa i5-2550K Memory 8 GB Graphics Card Sapphire ATI 6870 1GB GDDR5 Sound Card RealTek HD Audio / ATI HDMI Audio Monitor(s) Displays Samsung HDTV Monitor T23A350 Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard Logitech G110 Hard Drives - SSD (C:)
- HDD (D:)
- BD-ROM (E:) Internet Speed Unifi home (5mbps) |
22 May 2012
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#37 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by ignatzatsonic
Whaddya think, Smarteyeball??
I'd kinda like to run down an IBM buckling spring Space Saver without the ten key section, but those aren't easily found and would likely not be in "new" condition. Great keyboard for the price - although personally the Wildcats motif isn't to my taste | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Computers by SmartEyeball OS 8 Pro x64 CPU i7 3770K 4.6GHz Motherboard ASUS P8Z77 WS Memory 16GB G.Skill Trident X 2400mhz Graphics Card 3x Gigabyte GTX 670 OC WindForce *TRI SLI* Sound Card ALC898 / 5.1 receiver/ ATH-AD900 Headphones Monitor(s) Displays x3 Dell U2410 / 58" Samsung / "40 Sony Screen Resolution 5760*1200/ 1920*1200 / 1920*1080 Keyboard Topre Realforce // Ducky Shine MX Black // Filco Ninja TKL Mouse Razer Imperator + Thermaltake Theron PSU Corsair AX1200W Case Thermaltake Level 10 GT Snow Edition Cooling Noctua NH-D14 Hard Drives 2x Intel 520 240GB (RAID 0) * 2x WD Caviar Blacks 2TB (RAID 0) * 2TB WD Caviar Black Antivirus MSE Browser IE, FF Other Info GT Extreme V2 Sim Racing Cockpit + 40" LCD and K/B Mouse stand ▼
Fanatec CSR Elite Wheel + Clubsport Pedals + CSR shifter/7GS ▼
Buttkicker v2 Seat Rumbler with Dedicated 5.1 and Sub Woofer attached to frame ▼
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22 May 2012
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#38 | | Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit SP1 Maryland, USA |

Quote: Originally Posted by Trucidation I thought there was an earlier post saying to stay away from the Razer Black Widow, longevity issues or something. Hopped down to the shops yesterday evening, nada  All I could find was the usual suspects, ergonomics, and a couple of gaming keyboards. None of the brands mentioned here.
I have not had any issues with the widow, but I've only owned it for a month or so.
However I do have 3 other pieces of Razer gear that are still going strong 4+ years later.
Like most here I will not purchase peripherals sight unseen. I need to get my hands on them and test the fit/feel before I spend that much cash. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Rig OS Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit SP1 CPU Intel Core i7-2600k OC'd @ 5.0Ghz Motherboard ASUS Maximus IV Extreme-Z Memory 16 GB Corsair Vengeance PC3-12800 (4x4GB) Graphics Card XFX 695X DD (x2) in Crossfire Sound Card Realtek ALC889 (Integrated) Monitor(s) Displays XFX Triple Monitor Display w/ 3 ASUS 23.6" LCD Screen Resolution 5760x1080 (AMD Eyefinity) Keyboard Razer Lycosa Mouse Razer Naga & Razer Nostromo PSU XFX ProSeries Black Edition 1000w 80+ Platinum Certified Case Cooler Master HAF X Blue Edition Cooling Corsair H100 w/ Noctua NF-S12B FLX (x4) Push/Pull Hard Drives OCZ Vertex 3 SATA III (120GB)
WD Caviar Black 1.5 TB x2 Other Info ASUS ROG G74SX
-240GB OCZ Vertex II x2 (Raid 0) |
22 May 2012
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#39 | | Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit |

Quote: Originally Posted by smarteyeball 
Quote: Originally Posted by ignatzatsonic
Whaddya think, Smarteyeball??
I'd kinda like to run down an IBM buckling spring Space Saver without the ten key section, but those aren't easily found and would likely not be in "new" condition. Great keyboard for the price - although personally the Wildcats motif isn't to my taste  Well---due to your instigation and my hopeless sales resistance I've ordered a Leopold Tenkeyless White, with Cherry blue switches, as shown below. It should be here tomorrow.
$89 plus $10 shipping from Elitekeyboards.com, on sale; normally $109. I guess a new model is imminent and they are discounting the current models.
I decided to not go with the Kentucky Unicomp as I have no use for the num pad and I'm not sure I would prefer that much racket.
Frankly, I am not sure if I have ever used a mechanical keyboard. I may have, in the 1990s, and not known it at the time. My fingers don't remember. If I did, it was likely a buckling spring IBM or maybe a Dell with ALPS switches.
Next task is to find a pry bar to pop off the escape key so I can replace it with the red one shown in the pic--included at no charge. I see some cave man methods mentioned at geekhack. I found a youtube video of a guy making a tool out of a large paper clip.
What I want is something with at least a medium touch. I'm not sure about the tactile feedback issue---it may be I am better off with a linear switch such as Cherry blacks, but they are supposed to be quite heavy.
I hope to not end up keyboard-obsessed like those at geekhack.org. Those guys are out of control.
Thanks for the guidance, Eyeball. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Ignatz Special; 4 speed manual gearbox; factory air conditioning; one of one OS Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit CPU Intel Sandy Bridge i5-2500, not overclocked Motherboard Gigabyte H67A-UD3H-B3, full ATX Memory 4 GB Crucial DDR3-1333 Graphics Card none; graphics are integrated on CPU Sound Card onboard: Realtek ALC892; external: USB Behringer UF0-202 Monitor(s) Displays NEC 90GX2-BK 19" LCD Screen Resolution 800 x 640 Keyboard Leopold Tenkeyless with Cherry Blue switches, USB Mouse Logitech or Microsoft optical wired; either USB or PS 2 PSU Seasonic SS-560KM, modular Case Antec Solo II Cooling CPU: Scythe Big Shuriken; Case: Scythe Slipstream 800 & 500 Hard Drives System: Intel 320 Series SSD, 80 GB;
Data: Samsung Spinpoint 103SJ, 1 TB;
Backup: WD Caviar Green WD15EADS-00P8B0, 1.5TB Other Info Power consumption of this system, including monitor: 68 watts at idle; 144 watts at full load |
22 May 2012
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#40 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by ignatzatsonic Well---due to your instigation and my hopeless sales resistance I've ordered a Leopold Tenkeyless White, with Cherry blue switches, as shown below. It should be here tomorrow. My coworker runs a Leopold with Cherry Blue switches and he absolutely loves it. Expect it to take a little time to get used to. 
Quote: Originally Posted by ignatzatsonic I hope to not end up keyboard-obsessed like those at geekhack.org. Those guys are out of control. It's like anything else I guess. There are forums and places for all interests out there.
Hope you like the keyboard. I'm pretty sure that you will. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self-Built in July 2009 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS Memory 8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings Graphics Card EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570 Sound Card Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio Monitor(s) Displays 23" Acer x233H Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard ABS M1 Mechanical Mouse Logitech G9 Laser Mouse PSU Corsair 620HX modular Case Antec P182 Cooling stock Hard Drives Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black, 32MB cache. WD1001FALS Internet Speed 15/2 cable modem Other Info Windows and Linux enthusiast. Logitech G35 Headset. Mechanical Keyboards - Are you a convert? problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:41 PM. | |