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Windows 7: The big bang theory

31 May 2012   #31
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The concept of eternity of the universe (Steady Stare Theory, pioneered by Fred Hoyle) is rejusted long ago. There are all the physical proof that the universe is expanding. it is not steady at all, so it cannot be eternal. It must have a start, from which it is expanding.

This starting point is named as Big bang. Mathematical calculations of the mass contained in the universe shows that at one time the the rate of expansion will be reduced, and from a point it will be reducing, the hypothetical situation is termed as big crunch.

Big crunch is theoretically possible, the black holes are the examples.

And, science does not deal with the existence of God seriously ....
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31 May 2012   #32
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I want to add one more point ... In the strady state theory, the god is an invalid concept, coz the god has nothing to do there, as it is already created. nothing is left to be created my him.

But in case of big bang, which explains that everything is created after a certain point of time, there might be a role of god, he has something to play with under this model.

What do you think ?
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31 May 2012   #33
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Technically speaking, according to some respected sources, a theory is defined as:

-a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained; ie: Darwin’s theory of evolution; or the big bang theory; or the theory of creationism; or the theory of intelligent design

-a set of principles on which the practice of an activity is based; ie: a theory of education

-an idea used to account for a situation or justify a course of action; ie: my theory would be that the place has been seriously mismanaged

Definition for theory - Oxford Dictionaries Online (World English)

Since any theory seems to be a work in progress, the ideas, thoughts, and beliefs in effect today can be modified tomorrow (or even discarded) if new information is gleaned from newly accepted sources. Many years ago one of my college professors tried to illustrate why theories should be taken with a grain of salt.

In theory, it is impossible to get from Point A to Point B. In order to get from A to B one must travel half the distance. Then half the distance again. And so on and so forth. By always traveling half the distance, Point B can never be reached because there will always be yet another "half the distance" to travel. Is the theory a valid one? Yes. Providing there's nothing beyond Point B.

We don't know what (if anything) is beyond the theory of evolution; or the big bang theory; or the theory of creationism; or the theory of intelligent design.
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31 May 2012   #34
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It's difficult to have a discussion on the creation of the universe without someone interjecting faith as one possibility. I think that the warning issued was warranted with regards to the approach of the argument (classical use= debate), but not the content. I could be wrong.

At the risk of bending the rules, let me present the viewpoint of a respected scientist.

Time: Eistein & Faith
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1607298-2,00.html
.... Einstein did, however, retain from his childhood religious phase a profound faith in, and reverence for, the harmony and beauty of what he called the mind of God as it was expressed in the creation of the universe and its laws. Around the time he turned 50, he began to articulate more clearly--in various essays, interviews and letters--his deepening appreciation of his belief in God, although a rather impersonal version of one. One particular evening in 1929, the year he turned 50, captures Einstein's middle-age deistic faith. He and his wife were at a dinner party in Berlin when a guest expressed a belief in astrology. Einstein ridiculed the notion as pure superstition. Another guest stepped in and similarly disparaged religion. Belief in God, he insisted, was likewise a superstition.

At this point the host tried to silence him by invoking the fact that even Einstein harbored religious beliefs. "It isn't possible!" the skeptical guest said, turning to Einstein to ask if he was, in fact, religious. "Yes, you can call it that," Einstein replied calmly. "Try and penetrate with our limited means the secrets of nature and you will find that, behind all the discernible laws and connections, there remains something subtle, intangible and inexplicable. Veneration for this force beyond anything that we can comprehend is my religion. To that extent I am, in fact, religious."

Shortly after his 50th birthday, Einstein also gave a remarkable interview in which he was more revealing than he had ever been about his religious sensibility. It was with George Sylvester Viereck, who had been born in Germany, moved to America as a child and then spent his life writing gaudily erotic poetry, interviewing great men and expressing his complex love for his fatherland. Einstein assumed Viereck was Jewish. In fact, Viereck proudly traced his lineage to the family of the Kaiser, and he would later become a Nazi sympathizer who was jailed in America during World War II for being a German propagandist.

Viereck began by asking Einstein whether he considered himself a German or a Jew. "It's possible to be both," replied Einstein. "Nationalism is an infantile disease, the measles of mankind."

Should Jews try to assimilate? "We Jews have been too eager to sacrifice our idiosyncrasies in order to conform."

To what extent are you influenced by Christianity? "As a child I received instruction both in the Bible and in the Talmud. I am a Jew, but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene."

You accept the historical existence of Jesus? "Unquestionably! No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life."

Do you believe in God? "I'm not an atheist. I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws."

Is this a Jewish concept of God? "I am a determinist. I do not believe in free will. Jews believe in free will. They believe that man shapes his own life. I reject that doctrine. In that respect I am not a Jew."

Is this Spinoza's God? "I am fascinated by Spinoza's pantheism, but I admire even more his contribution to modern thought because he is the first philosopher to deal with the soul and body as one, and not two separate things."

Do you believe in immortality? "No. And one life is enough for me."
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And then, if this thread isn't dead, Fred - continue the Big Bang discussion.
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31 May 2012   #35
nitroman84

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Wow, wasn’t expecting the can of worms I opened when starting this thread.
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31 May 2012   #36
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A Mystery in the Galactic Center
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by NASA
February 21, 2002: In the most suspenseful detective stories, the mystery deepens even as the plot reveals more clues. So has it been in real life for astrophysicists investigating the center of our Milky Way galaxy. They hoped that NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory would reveal a long-suspected black hole there -- and indeed it did. But Chandra's revelations have raised new questions that baffle scientists perhaps even more than before.

A black hole is an object both so massive and so compact that not even light itself can escape its staggering gravity. For decades, theorists have argued that giant stars (ones at least 10 times as massive as our Sun) routinely end their lives as supernovas -- catastrophic explosions that spray matter light-years through interstellar space, leaving behind only a dense remnant of the original star. If the remnant exceeds about 3 solar masses, it will become a black hole.

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Astronomers Predict Titanic Collision: Milky Way vs. Andromeda
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by NASA
]May 31, 2012: NASA astronomers say they can now predict with certainty the next major cosmic event to affect our galaxy, sun, and solar system: the titanic collision of our Milky Way galaxy with the neighboring Andromeda galaxy.

The Milky Way is destined to get a major makeover during the encounter, which is predicted to happen four billion years from now. It is likely the sun will be flung into a new region of our galaxy, but our Earth and solar system are in no danger of being destroyed.

"After nearly a century of speculation about the future destiny of Andromeda and our Milky Way, we at last have a clear picture of how events will unfold over the coming billions of years," says Sangmo Tony Sohn of the Space Telescope Science Institute (STScI) in Baltimore.

"Our findings are statistically consistent with a head-on collision between the Andromeda galaxy and our Milky Way galaxy," adds Roeland van der Marel of the STScI.

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01 Jun 2012   #37
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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Slartybart View Post
At the risk of bending the rules, let me present the viewpoint of a respected scientist.

Time: Eistein & Faith
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1607298-2,00.html
....
At this point the host tried to silence him by invoking the fact that even Einstein harbored religious beliefs. "It isn't possible!" the skeptical guest said, turning to Einstein to ask if he was, in fact, religious. "Yes, you can call it that," Einstein replied calmly. "Try and penetrate with our limited means the secrets of nature and you will find that, behind all the discernible laws and connections, there remains something subtle, intangible and inexplicable. Veneration for this force beyond anything that we can comprehend is my religion. To that extent I am, in fact, religious."

-more
My earlier comments echo these exactly and I know I'm not in the intellectual league of Einstein!
If the word "religion" is not allowed, then let's think of one that means "that large subset of knowledge that human beings will never understand".
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01 Jun 2012   #38
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And another one: We're heading straight into a galaxy crash ... in 4 billion years

Look out for galaxy crash ... in 4 billion years - Technology & science - Space - Space.com - msnbc.com
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01 Jun 2012   #39
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I'm going to schedule vacation for when that happens

A Guy
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01 Jun 2012   #40
mjf

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by A Guy View Post
I'm going to schedule vacation for when that happens

A Guy
I'd better book my ticket before the big rush. Where are we going again?
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