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Windows 7: What exactly is the God particle?

08 Jul 2012   #21
Golden
Microsoft MVP

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I think you may be over-thinking the issue, so lets make it simple : gravity is simply a force, just like electromagnetic and nuclear forces. I don't understand what else you require before you will let go of the word 'theory'
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08 Jul 2012   #22
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

I agree that you don't understand my thinking or perspective, but you never will by simply beating the same old drum. It seems apparent that I will never convince you of anything along these lines, nor will you convince me either. I would prefer to over think a subject, rather than under think it.
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08 Jul 2012   #23
Golden
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ult. x64
 
 

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08 Jul 2012   #24
boohbah

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7600
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister View Post
You fail to understand what I said. You cannot define what anything is by merely describing their characteristics and effects. It is easy only if you settle for less than a complete understanding.
bit like faith then int it.
one thing you cant accuse me of is being a religious fanatic.
(defining someone by their characteristics and effects)
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08 Jul 2012   #25
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by boohbah View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister View Post
You fail to understand what I said. You cannot define what anything is by merely describing their characteristics and effects. It is easy only if you settle for less than a complete understanding.
bit like faith then int it.
one thing you cant accuse me of is being a religious fanatic.
(defining someone by their characteristics and effects)
All faiths are not equal, because they consist of different substances. There are fanatics, fans and devotees of every faith. I have not yet figured to which faith you belong, nor how you rank in it.
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08 Jul 2012   #26
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Golden View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
Hell they haven't figured what gravity is.
Better have a read of this mate:
Gravitation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That verifies my point. We know it's there. We think we know what it does but we really don't know what it is and how it is produced other than theory. We can't produce it or store it. We can't stop it or change it.Their are theories like quantum mechanics. All we really know is that it is a force we have to have or their wouldn't even be a atmosphere around the earth.
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08 Jul 2012   #27
ionbasa

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 x64
 
 

as to what gravity is, the most accepted answer is "Gravity is a consequence of the structure of matter."
What causes gravity - dark energy, the new aether
you can also brush up on Quantum gravity here: Quantum gravity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There are also some special considerations to take into account, Newtonian physics and quantum physics don't "work together" per say so there are multiple views on gravity:
Newton's and Einstein's views

Part of the problem is that on the quantum level things act unnaturally, an example of this is a particle acting like a wave or a wave like a particle.

Until we can find a definite reason for gravity it will always be a theory, much like the Higgs Boson, at first it was a theoretical particle, until they found proof.
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08 Jul 2012   #28
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

From what I gathered from the Hulu documentary, the only thing that they did was to identify an energy generated from crashing some hydrogen protons together. That does not prove that energy is omnipresent in all space and matter, nor that it is responsible for the creation of the universe, as was implied in the article linked by Golden in his OP. Personally, I'm not interested in any links to any articles that can't spell things out in black and white, without tossing a bunch of theories around. As far as I'm concerned, the Higgs Boson is still just a theory.
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08 Jul 2012   #29
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister View Post
From what I gathered from the Hulu documentary, the only thing that they did was to identify an energy generated from crashing some hydrogen protons together. That does not prove that energy is omnipresent in all space and matter, nor that it is responsible for the creation of the universe, as was implied in the article linked by Golden in his OP. Personally, I'm not interested in any links to any articles that can't spell things out in black and white, without tossing a bunch of theories around. As far as I'm concerned, the Higgs Boson is still just a theory.
With utmost respect for your and everybody else's beliefs, as far as I have understood you accept something else being "omnipresent in all space and matter, and being responsible for the creation of the universe" with far, far less proof.

Why do you have so big difficulties to accept scientific facts?


Sincerely,

Kari
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08 Jul 2012   #30
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

With a reciprocal respect for your beliefs, I think that I have already made it clear that I do not consider theories nor vague evidence as the basis for facts. Why do you find it so difficult to understand that?
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